[ SECRET POST #2812 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2812 ⌋

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Comments

[jaybie_jarrett]

Hmm That would be interesting to know. I mean part of me feels like she probably hates it, or at least the whole BDSM aspect considering her beliefs (IIRC she made Edward very chaste). and tbh from what I know of Meyer...

I'm kinda surprised she has spoken up to complain about it before...or make some dramatic accusation of copying/ripping off. IDK

[(Anonymous)]

I DON'T object to BDSM and I'd have a lot to say about, well, everything if I were her.

[jaybie_jarrett]

Ah yeah. I dunno if I'd be pleased if something like that was based off my work.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, Irony.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, stop.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, come on. You don't have to be a hater to point the irony of someone who has very publicly supported the idea of going AU with stories now objecting to the thought of someone going AU with a story. That one has to be fair game, regardless of anything else.

[jaybie_jarrett]

There is a very big difference betweeen going AU with a story and having OCs basically stand in for the canon characters and search and replacing them. I support OC AUs done carefully , not search and replace 'editing' and calling it a day. If a fanfic story is going to be made into its own thing it needs to have a LOT of rewriting done on it.

and even in my OWN AU setting fic, my OCs are in a way a part of/participants in the new setting and community the characters are in and at NO point do any of my OCs 'stand in'for or replace Danny Phantom characters. Nor do I EVER intend for them to.

There's a difference between going AU and Fifty Shades.

and besides...most of my issues with 50 Shades are the poorly researched BDSM relationship that the author REFUSES to acknowledge as fucked up and abusive.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

There's also another difference, you've not filed off the serial numbers, and cc published it for profit either. You keep it as fic from what I've seen.

[jaybie_jarrett]

Exactly. Yeah.

That's what its meant to be really.

I mean the setting is a world I've created from an original thing. But I created the world before the fic...and the original story is VERY separate from the fanfic's story.

[(Anonymous)]

maybe you should stop trying to shame and guilt trip women who enjoy mild "abuse" in their stories

[jaybie_jarrett]

Um what...

*sigh*

Okay I miswrote that. The problem is not that the relationship is abusive. It's that EL James refuses to admit that the BDSM practice in her story is abusive and inaccurate, glorifying a harmful relationship.

Also the whole series is basically: "But I can CHANGE him" : The Novel. That's...kind of a dangerous mindset.

I don't care if people enjoy abuse in their stories. Just as long as they'll admit it IS abuse.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know about bdsm and don't really care
but that mindset is part of the fantasy and it turns true in the book
it's called good ol' narcissism and it's really satisfying
so unless you first recognize it's not abuse that turns out bad you're not going anywhere really

[jaybie_jarrett]

Well....it can still be damaging if people go into BDSM thinking this is what it is...and they end up getting abused.

Also it makes the BDSM community look bad if people think 50 Shades is 100% correct. That's the problem. It's not just 'shaming people'

It's not wanting people to get hurt because of poorly researched BDSM. I think everyone can agree that preventing people from ending up in an abusive relationship is a very good thing.

[(Anonymous)]

As one with what this community likes to call "problematic" kinks I refuse to be held responsible for some stranger's life choices when *I* have consumed tons of "problematic" media and *my* life is pretty fuckin' great, thank you. If I have to play mommy for idiots who shouldn't even be allowed outside then I demand to be paid handsomely for it.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

You probably shouldn't bother, tbh. This has been discussed to death before on here and neither side gets anywhere.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with the point you're trying to get across, but these are 50 Shades of Gray fans you're trying to reason with here. They have all been some of the most obtuse people I have ever met. I say give it up and let them go blindly into the world of BDSM and not understand that they should expect hurt, not harm. Which, if E. L. James or her fans had a legit clue, they'd understand that there is a distinct difference between the two in the BDSM world. Who needs basic respect, right?

[elialshadowpine]

IDEK what people are going on about; speaking as someone in the BDSM community, I wrote an entire fucking essay (if you want the link I'll dig it up) about how there are predatory doms in the community, that primarily prey on young women new to the scene, and they look a lot like Christian Grey. Basically the only main difference is they aren't billionaires and thus don't have 24/7 "security" (but really I'm fairly certain "hired killers" is just as good a descriptor) to trail and force compliance, nor can they hack into phones to track GPS or any of the similarly Bond-esque and technologically impossible harassment implements.

The behavior, though? Yeah, that's why my fiancee and her husband ended up on the Safety board for the BDSM group in their local area; it was formed primarily to deal with 2-3 members who were regularly behaving predatory towards, again, especially young, new women. They didn't really have rules priorly, because the original group founders had the "oh, but that doesn't happen here" mindset that is both infuriatingly common and wrong. The behavior is dead-on and to those of us in the BDSM scene who aren't beset with the aforementioned rose-colored glasses, fucking scary in its accuracy.

[(Anonymous)]

The behaviour can't be dead-on if they don't fall in love with said young women and have a happy ending with them.

[(Anonymous)]

You do understand what OCs are, right?

[(Anonymous)]

50 Shades of Gray was an AU with canon characters, not OCs. They were made into OCs so the author could sell it.

[(Anonymous)]

*rimshot*

[(Anonymous)]

lol replying to yourself to add a "rimshot"

how desperate.

*cringe*

[(Anonymous)]

this isn't the first time they're done this either, which makes it more hilarious

[(Anonymous)]

Hahaha I know right.

And they also conveniently ignore the fact that anon is the one looking embarrassing here. Masters of The Universe (the fic 50 Shades used to be) DOESN'T EVEN HAVE /REVOLVE AROUND OCS.

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, I think anon is just a troll being an ass about OCs. I've had it happen to me - not with OCs, but I said something at a forum that a troll just couldn't let go.