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⌈ Secret Post #2862 ⌋

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Comments

Belated Fandom Talk

[(Anonymous)]

Did you just watch/read that movie/TV/book everyone watched/read years ago? Got a rant that you never got off your chest but the fandom's moved on? Is there one argument you just like having over and over again?

This is the thread for old fandom wank and praise. Post the fandom in the header.

Sherlock

[(Anonymous)]

(Spoilers)

I watched this a while after the fandom. The thing that bothered me more than anything else was the way the villain won in the end. He was a great villain in that I just wanted him to be brought low -- to have him experience what he was doing to everyone else. But Sherlock never defeated him. He never found a clever way to stop him. Killing him just wasn't satisfying because Sherlock only did it because he had no other way to stop the villain. That isn't what I expect from Sherlock.

That was what disappointed me more than anything.

Re: Sherlock

[(Anonymous)]

Is that Charles Augustus Milverton? Didn't he get shot by someone else in the books? One of his victims?

Re: Sherlock

[(Anonymous)]

I've never read this story. I don't think I should have to to be able to enjoy the TV show. It should be able to stand on its own, and it didn't here. It did not provide a satisfying conclusion for me.

Re: Sherlock

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, he did get shot by one of his victims in the book. And I agree with OP that Sherlock should have outwitted him rather than shot him.

Re: Sherlock

[(Anonymous)]

Holmes never found a clever way to defeat him in the original story, either. He was resorting to breaking and entering to get materials Milverton was going to use for blackmail, but then one of Milverton's former victims up and shot the guy and took care of the problem.

Re: Sherlock

[(Anonymous)]

I still don't think this in any way excuses "Sherlock". It may be faithful to the books (which a lot of "Sherlock" fans have not read, nor do I think they should be expected to) but that doesn't make it good story-telling. Especially as "Sherlock" only vaguely follows the books anyway. It's a different medium anyway.

Perhaps they could've found a way for Sherlock to have shot him and made it satisfying but I doubt it. As it is, they created a viscerally repellant villain and did not give the audience (in my opinion) a cathartic ending. Telling me that it's faithful to the books doesn't change the unfinished feeling I was left with when I watched the episode.

Re: Sherlock

[solticisekf]

At least he got shot *bloodthirsty*

The whole episode wasn't very logical. Sherlock killed him because of Mary? It was pretty selfless, which means character development.

Re: Belated Fandom Talk

[kaijinscendre]

We're Alive: A Tale of Survival is such an awesome produced horror podcast. And I am so mad because there is no fandom for it. AND I WANT FIC OF THE TWO ARMY GUYS GETTING IT ON. Also, I wish I had someone to talk to about how annoying two of the characters are.

Re: Belated Fandom Talk

[kallanda_lee]

This sounds like something I'd like - where can I find it?

Re: Belated Fandom Talk

[(Anonymous)]

I started watching "Leverage" six months after the series finale aired. I think the fandom is still turning out great fics relatively frequently, but I'm bummed I missed out on discussing episodes and speculating on future plotlines during the show's run. :( On the brighter side, it's now one of my favorite series of all time! So much fun, and I really liked all the characters and how all the characters liked each other. (A lot of shows I watch seem more Tell than Show when it comes to caring friendship/family relationships.)

Re: Belated Fandom Talk

[tabaqui]

Leverage is AWESOME! :)

I'm sorry I haven't a clue

[comradesmiler]

I'm currently rediscovering I'm sorry I haven't a clue's One song to the tune of another and laughing my arse off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYGMvH2FBR4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXkTHI79T-U

Numb3rs

[(Anonymous)]

I used to watch this on and off when it aired but it was never consistent. Not too long ago, I marathoned the entire show. I still liked some of the characters and I'll admit that the episode formula wore a little thin at times and the math often stretched my level of disbelief.

But the thing I want to rant about is how unlikeable the character of Charlie became. He knew absolutely everything by the end. He would throw tantrums and wouldn't really ever get called on it. He was also incredibly closed-minded (for instance when psychics came up). And he was selfish (like when he tried to get his friend to not go to outer space, which was his friend's lifelong dream, but it was solely because Charlie didn't want him to go). The brothers were never really a partnership. Don seemed to evolve and grow comfortable with himself. But I never really saw them connecting or understanding each other. I was very disappointed by the end. Charlie was utterly insufferable.

Re: Numb3rs

[(Anonymous)]

Charlie's a mathematical genius who deals in facts. How open minded do you think he really ought to be when it comes to psychics, whose abilities have never and will never passed proper scientific evaluation?

Re: Belated Fandom Talk

[nayance]

Not sure if it counts, but I've just started listening to Panic! At The Disco and Fall Out Boy and that sort of thing in the past year. I guess my tastes have changed, because I never cared for this sort of thing a few years ago.

On a more on topic thing, I started watching Supernatural at the beginning of the year. Got through the first season and a half, wasn't that thrilled.

Re: Belated Fandom Talk

[(Anonymous)]

I had a similar reaction to SPN. When it first came out, I tried the first few episodes and then gave up. I didn't think they were bad but nothing really grabbed my attention. I like SPN now but I can totally see where you're coming from.

Gone Girl rant

[mekkio]

Okay, here it goes;

Amy Dunne of Gone Girl is not a feminist hero. Repeat after me, Amy Dunne IS NOT a feminist hero. When the movie first came out people were calling Fincher misogynist because they had turned Amy, who they thought was a feminist hero, into a villain. Thing is, she was always a villain.

She's a psychopath. Up there with the likes of Hannibal, Patrick Bateman and The Joker. And there is nothing wrong with that. In fact, I love that a woman can hold her own among those guys. (I love a good, evil as sin villain.)

People always point out how much of a dick Nick is in the first half of the book as told through Amy's eyes. But here's the thing, nothing Nick has done gives Amy an excuse to frame him for murder in order to the get the death penalty. That and the first half of the book, Amy's diary is FICTION. It was written for the cops to be found out and paint an image of a husband who would be capable of murdering his wife. We have no idea how Nick really was outside that he wasn't paying attention to his wife and he was cheater.

Amy wanted Nick dead because he went against her plan that she had mapped out. And he was not her first victim. You go against Amy's plans you are screwed. Your life is over.

And for that she is a villain. A selfish one. And not a feminist hero.

Re: Gone Girl rant

[kallanda_lee]

Wait, people actually think she's a hero?

She's clearly a psychopath.

Re: Gone Girl rant

[(Anonymous)]

She can't be both?

Also, I wouldn't act like his cheating was something to be ignored. It makes him pretty monstrous.

Re: Gone Girl rant

[ghostofcairo]

Yep. Yet if you call her an evil psychopath you're a misogynist according to some people. The amount of idiocy in the discussion of this book/movie is just mind boggling to me.

Re: Gone Girl rant

[ketita]

O_O feminist hero? Seriously?

I mean, I admit I really liked her. Her assholery and level of sociopathy was pretty impressive, and I was super curious to see what she would do next at every moment. I thought she was a great villain. (only watched the movie, so idk if it's different from the book at the end, but I was super worried for Nick staying with her)

The Office (US)

[(Anonymous)]

- I have this weird headcanon that the reason Kelly's character changed so much was that when her sister dies (something she alludes to in an episode), it traumatized her so much she became silly and ditzy as a weird coping mechanism. It just makes more sense that way, because sometimes she's too selfish to be real.

- Was I the only one who thought some of Michael's crazier ideas were actually okay in theory, just not in practice? Like the Dundies - it's actually a fun idea imho, he just had no idea how to do it without being insulting.

- Also, I have this crazy pet theory that Michael is Don Draper's illegitimate son, which is where Michael got some of the sales gene. If you think about it, they kind of look alike.

Re: The Office (US)

[(Anonymous)]

SA - by saying "real" I really meant to say "believable."

Re: The Office (US)

[threeeyedsloth]

Kelly is definitely in a range of selfishness that I have seen in real human beings. And you almost don't believe those people are really THAT selfish, like they're not real.

I agree to the second one. Sometimes his ideas aren't bad, but he's basically lost all credibility. If he weren't so desperate/selfish/deluded he actually might have been able to make their crappy job a bit more fun and meaningful and worthwhile to the people there.