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I disagree. I think Spock/Uhura was the best thing about the reboots, and the only reason I keep watching the films now.

That, and the new actor who plays McCoy. He's great.

I really despise the way Spock treats Uhura. His disrespect for her wishes and how unfazed he is when she is in danger really bother me. But to each their own.

At least he didn't try to break her neck nor used the death of her father to humiliate her in front of the whole academy
Good thing, also, that he didn't need to see her dying to have feelings for her.

Really, Kirk has abusive relationships in his past due to his uncle being really bad, the fact that he seeks the approvation and friendship of Spock only b/c Spock Prime told them they would be friends rubs me in the wrong way. Wtf is wrong with him? He doesn't even like Spock and he could have all the friendship he wants from any of the other crew members

Yeah, I hate Spock in the 2009 film. He's a lot better in STID.

That's one reason I never understood why Uhura's with him -- she really likes this asshole that brings up a dead student's father, chokes his first officer (and DOESN'T apologize), almost fucks over her career, etc.?

I mean, if they'd written the relationship in STID, I could see it because Spock seems a lot nicer in that film -- caring about the crew and not antagonizing anyone. But in the 2009 film? Hell to the no.

I can see why Kirk would want to be friends with Spock, though. Spock is smart and when they team up, they manage to take down Nero. And I think Kirk respects that -- as does Spock. They certainly don't like each other much in the first film, but I think they bring out the best in one another -- the scene where Kirk sacrifices himself and Spock confesses that the trick he pulled on Harrison -- those were inspired by each other. Or when Kirk decides not to kill Harrison because of what Spock says. Or when Kirk goes back for Spock and helps to teach him what friendship and loyalty mean.

But I definitely think Kirk/Spock is a ship that only works post-Into Darkness where Spock's become less of a raging asshole and Kirk has grown up a bit.

Da

Sorry, but I don't think that Kirk needs Spock and viceversa. I struggle to comprehend where Spock actually proved to be someone worth to have as a friend or where Kirk gave Spock a reason to see friendship. How they can be more friends than others on that ship? The fact that they are called Kirk and Spock is not enough for me. Lets be real here.
Would they even care to try it if Spock Prime hadn't influenced them telling them they would be friends? Honest. Would you try to seek friendship in their place? They disliked each other and are such opposites.
Friendship is what I have with my friends and nothing about them is relatable to me. I have better relationships with my co-workers!
Spock was emotionally compromised after what happened to him and everything Kirk cared about was how HE felt. he was racist with Spock. He didn't like him why bother trying to get friendship from him? It's like a girl actively seeking abusive relationships. Why should Spock consider him a friend btw? What he did to deserve the word? Because he saved him? The whole crew did that just like the whole crew saved Kirk in the end, not just Spock. The whole crew cared about them both.
They are co-workers and not that great as a team either but I give them a pass on that. But in private? I don't remember them getting to know each other or Kirk asking Spock if he needed someone to talk with after the tragedy that had just happened to him.

These two individuals are troubled on their own and need a friend but clearly the other can't furfill that role yet because they are both a mess.
I think the writers should develop them more separately first before making them friends, too. They are too complex for their backstory to get ignored just because you have to make them friends so fast and expect the audience to buy it and give you a free pass when it is ooc and not half realistic.

They don't need each other. Don't know where I said they did. But the films show how they complement each other and make each other better. They clearly have to learn to temper their first impressions and see what the other has to offer (since their world views and approaches are different) but it's not surprising that they see something valuable and worth embracing in each other.

Spock Prime convinced Spock to stay on the Enterprise. However, Kirk is the one who taught him that the rules aren't everything (when he goes to save him) and that you need to play on your enemies weaknesses (when he uses the torpedoes against Harrison). Similarly, Spock taught Kirk about taking responsibility and to be able to set aside his emotion and see the morality/immorality of his actions.

That is no small thing and I can definitely see how it brings them closer together. They influence each other deeply.

That they recognize what the other would have done (correctly) at the end of the film is a testament to that.

In both their cases, I wouldn't mind more development, but I can certainly say that I think they're far more developed than any of the other characters.

At very least, the Kirk and Spock relationship has an outline to go by. Which is more than I can say for much of anything else in the reboots, unfortunately.

They don't need each other. Don't know where I said they did. But the films show how they complement each other and make each other better.

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Complement each other doesn't mean, in a way, they need each other? They just don't.
Like in the last movie I don't get why Spock is not the captain when he is so better and more competent anyway but that's me.
Kirk can have better friends in McCoy, Scotty, Uhura or Pike, his mentor. He has nothing to do with Spock and Spock has nothing to do with him.
To say that they make each other better too....Kirk seems to bring the worst in him, actually, when he doesn't look like Sylar he's reduced to a parody of himself just to pay homage to a scene that these characters haven't earned one bit. He's out of character.
It seems irony that you claim they make each other better when some of their worst moments in the movies where they act as an immature ass is the scenes they have with each other.
They should have asked for a transfer.

Complement does not mean "need" -- a color can can be complemented by another color and look nicer as a result. That doesn't mean it needs that color. This is the definition I am using: "add to (something) in a way that enhances or improves it."

So, yes, I think Spock and Kirk complement each other. I've given examples that, I think, demonstrate this.

As for who is captain, I agree that is a mess. But It doesn't affect how I see Kirk and Spock's relationship.

And of course Kirk can be friends with others. However I find that, in Star Trek Into Darkness, the gradual closeness he develops with Spock and how they come to love and respect each other really shines. That's simply my opinion.

From what I can tell, Kirk and Spock bring out the best in one another and it works precisely because they can fall back and rely on the writing in TOS.

That's one reason I never understood why Uhura's with him -- she really likes this asshole that brings up a dead student's father, chokes his first officer (and DOESN'T apologize), almost fucks over her career, etc.?
So, you think Uhura shouldn't be with Spock because he was mean with Kirk, but you think it's totally normal for Kirk to pursue a relationship with the man who tried to kill him, and made him lose his ship because he ungratefully reported him after he saved his life.
Well...well...

In the 2009 film? Hell yeah it's fucking awful.

If they'd waited to get them together until STID? I'd be fine with it. It wouldn't be a problem then because Spock has progressed a lot. I'm not surprised -- losing his planet and his mother changed him and forced him to grow up in a lot of ways. In some ways he was worse (his emotional repression) but in a lot of ways he improved because he's not stepping all over people's feelings any more and he learned to really look out for and care for the crew.

So, yeah, I'd be okay with writing Spock in a relationship post-STID considering how much he's grown. With 2009 Spock, though, it makes no sense.

In my opinion.

Put aside the whole Spock and Kirk thing for a second. Would YOU wanna be in a relationship with someone who treated people like that? I sure wouldn't, especially since there's no guarantee that person isn't going to treat ME that way.

DA

I feel like you're both too easily giving Kirk a free pass, though.
For one, he was wrong for cheating the test and he compromised the simulation for the other cadets. What if they could take part to only one simulation? Kirk then ruined an academy test for them all with consequences that could affect their curriculum. Spock was in his rights to call him out on that the way the academy protocol required him to do: in public.
Yes, the thing about his father was bad but no one in the room would think that Spock, a vulcan, mentioned that to be gratuitously mean. He did have a point and was trying, albeit coldly, to make him understand why he didn't get the purpose of the test.

Kirk is constantly insubordinate with his superior officers and he isn't really likable with Spock either so at the very least the feeling was mutual from both parts.
Spock was wrong for attacking him but don't forget that Kirk did provoke him. Why you think no one tried to stop them? Even McCoy, his best friend, didn't side with him there.
Screaming in Spock's face that he didn't love his mother that he had JUST watched die without being able to help her was despicable from krik's part, moreso because he did that to steal the captain's chair from him when Spock still was the more competent officer for that role. None of the people in that room could know about Kirk's reasons or that he had talked with Spock prime, for what they knew Kirk just took advantage of a tragedy for his own ego and because he couldn't stand Spock. And they lost another captain and had the insubordinate cocky cadet takes his place while earth was in danger.

Are you kidding?

A professor using a student's dead father to make a POINT is despicable and it's NOT AT ALL comparable to what Kirk did after Spock's mother died.

Kirk HAD to get Spock to show how compromised he was. In fact, Spock's older self was the one to insist on that. The freaking fate of Earth and the Federation hung in the balance. Kirk didn't know Spock well enough to know how to get him to admit it, so he used the only thing he had -- the death of Spock's mother -- since he saw the look on Spock's face when he rematerialized on the platform. It was NOT despicable on Kirk's part. It was NECESSARY.

Spock was NOT more competent in that role. He wanted to rejoin the rest of the fleet. And if Kirk hadn't insisted they go after Nero, Earth likely would have been destroyed.

friendly reminder that Kirk is an a$$
The kirk apologist here is making me feel like I'm watching an episode of 'Everyone loves Raymond'
The fact that they only like Spock when he's 'nice' with Kirk is not surprising to the least but in the other thread they called Uhura a racist because she wasn't nice with the white guy sexually harassing her. W--t--f. No. No. No.

It's a sad commentary about how terrible the new movies are that someone's only sticking around for a ship. The philosophy…the friendship…the possibilities of science…great writing? All gone.

Agreed on the new actor for McCoy -- he is great. Though I don't attribute that to the writers in the slightest considering Karl Urban is a huge fan of TOS and a great actor even in the most godawful movies.

Nu McCoy is fabulous, and he is terribly underutilized. Hardly had anything to do in the second film.

Same! I didn't expect to love them so much but I do. They are so sweet and très jolie!

Karl Urban is great indeed. I'm so bummed they canceled his show :'( great chemistry with Michael Ealy.

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