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Boy I'm with you on the classical music fans. A friend of mine got so weird and creepily JUDGEY when she found out I don't care for classical music, like it was some massive moral failing of mine that it all sounds the same to me.

What is it with people who like stuff that was popular in the 18th/19th century? Why do they all have to be such fucking snobs about it?

A lot of people have this really strange idea that Old = Good/Better.

They do, but I wouldn't say that mentality is solely focused on classical music. I keep hearing "music from the 60's/ 70's/ 80's/ 90's was better!"

The only thing that older does is allow time to filter out the really good stuff from the dreck. The classics, be it music, films, TV or fics, become classics because their content holds up over time.

Oh, absolutely! I agree on both points.

It's probably partly a class thing. Going to an orchestra and getting dressed up to listen to music is pretty associated in a lot of people's minds with being rich, upper class, and therefore superior.

Thankfully the wide abundance of music on the internet is making it accessible for people to listen to in their living rooms dressed in their PJs if they want to. But there's still this weird sense of superiority attached to it, like the smell that lingers after a fart.

Ugh, yes, I definitely view being a classical music snob as having a sense of classism to it, like if you DON'T like classical music you're a lesser person, due to the history of it being associated with hoity-toity orchestra.

Classical music fans really can be a pain in the ass.

I think, unfortunately, there is some non-trivial percentage of classical music fans who became fans at least in part because it was so snobby and allowed them to be like that. Which really stinks, especially because classical music is pretty cool.

Jazz fans can be like that too, but most of them are decent, open-minded types who are cool to hang out with (they're also fairly rare nowadays) while I've never met a classical music fan who WASN'T a huge snob about it.

Yeah, I think anything that has the kind of cultural cachet that jazz and classical music has is going to have fans like that, unfortunately. I've known people in both camps who've been really cool, and people who've been really awful. And, yeah, the cool ones tend to be very cool, decent people.

It's just so frustrating. Like, the music is so good! Can't it just be about that? Bah.

You need to meet pretty much all my friends then.

Jazz fans who bang on about how hip and cool they are, unlike those snotty, classist classic music lovers are two a penny in my experience. So maybe it's just that you are hearing what you want to hear?

It's precisely because it's from the 18th/19th century -- and even more, from the Middle Ages and the Renaissance -- that I love it so much. For me, it's time travelling as well as music.

That's how I feel about jazz, and I like that depending on what I listen to it could take me back to 1925 or 1975 and anywhere in between.

In part this is why I was never the biggest fan of fantasy (hence why I don't really know what to look for and am asking for recs in GC) -- go far enough back in history and I have trouble really connecting to it, it doesn't really mean anything to me. The 1890s is probably my hard limit for how far back I can go -- in fiction, music, whatever -- and still enjoy myself.

And I get really angry at fantasy settings that try to use real-world historical problems like the frequency of rape and subjugation of women to justify putting that shit in their fantasy settings. You have a fucking fantasy setting with orcs and elves and fucking wizards and, fuck I dunno, talking goddamn slimes, but you insist on applying the real-world historical status of women just to justify the creepy rape scene you wrote?

Edited 2014-11-22 00:47 (UTC)

I love music from the Middle Ages. Not sure if it's considered "classical" per se, or if it's just lumped in there for convenience's sake.

One of my favourites, which gives me that "time travel" feeling you mentioned is The Courts of Love: Music from the time of Eleanor of Aquitaine (Sinfonye). I just adore it!

Also had a selection of "ancient music" that was published by a museum, featuring music played on authentic instruments.

P.S. Yes, yes, I listen to pop music too. Not a snob.

I think 'classical' is widely used in two senses -- to refer to music of the Haydn-Mozart-early Beethoven period, and to refer to just about anything that isn't popular music, jazz, or folk.

I will look out for that CD. I love Perotin and Machaut, and performers who emphasise how different Mediaeval music is -- like Ensemble Organum, Rene Clemencic and -- very old now -- Musica Reservata. One of my favourite CDs is Le Chant des Templiers by Ensemble Organum. They really sound like soldiers the night before a battle.

I don't listen to pop, but I don't think I'm a snob... I mean, there are only so many listening hours in the day.

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It's so sad, and typical of the inverted snobbery crawling all over this post, that you felt you had to add that PS. You don't *have* to like any kind of music, and it absolutely isn't snobbish to like classical music rather than modern. It's personal taste.

*raves over medieval and renaissance music with you* I once sang in a scratch performance of Spem in Alium at Waltham Abbey where Thomas Tallis was organist/choirmaster.

It's not that it's better, it's that no one bothers to keep playing the real crap after all this time so you only hear the better stuff. It's the same with oldies and classic rock. It's also similar to how people insist media from another country is so much better than the media from their own, but they're really just seeing the stuff that was deemed good enough to be worth importing/torrenting/recommending and none of the dreck.

Hah, I don't know about classic rock, there's like three classic rock stations in my city alone and they all play the worst dadrock on the planet. I never want to hear AC/DC or The Rolling Stones again, and while I have respect for Don Henley as a person that doesn't make the Eagles listenable.

Yes, we get it already. Your personal taste is the arbiter of all that is good.

They don't "all". Why do people who like modern things have to make crass generalisations? Like what you like, but quit that stuff.

People who like classical music make crass generalizations too, like wailing that the world is going to hell in a handbasket because patrons in a cafe preferred pop music to a Mozart quintet.

I enjoy some classical music and I have never expected other people to conform to my tastes Or Else.

yes but you're an incredibly reasonable, good-hearted, intelligent person, so of course you don't

not sure if sarcastic, but I was just trying to point out that that sweeping generalization is silly.

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Seriously, I have a lot of respect for jazz fans, because that shit is complex. I like classical music but I don't think that makes me intellectually superior, it's just what I was exposed to as a kid.

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