[ SECRET POST #2882 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2882 ⌋

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Comments

[dreemyweird]

1. Heterosexual Holmes is a horrible idea. Somehow every single adaptation bar the most faithful ones (Granada, the Soviet Holmes) has made him so, when NOTHING in the canon indicates that he is interested in any kind of romantic or sexual relationship. Making him homosexual would not be more canonical, IMO, but at least it would be original and progressive - I'd be glad of that. Yet another straight Holmes, though? How about no?

2. She has a desperate fangirl crush on him. He constantly belittled her for it in the first eps. This would not be a healthy relationship in any shape or form.

3. What the hell would be the point of this, narrative logic-wise? What would it accomplish - apart from giving the show an unnecessary romantic storyline?

etc., etc.

[kallanda_lee]

Also, besides all that - they'd be horrible for each other.

[(Anonymous)]

This. A romantic relationship with Sherlock is really not what Molly needs, it's just what she thinks she wants. He wouldn't be good for her and she'd probably just end up dumping him before long. For his part, I can really only see Sherlock going for it out of loneliness because John wasn't available as much anymore (see The Empty Herse) and thought making romantic overtures was the price he had to pay for friendship in this case.

I'd love to see them have a bit closer of a friendship in a co-conspirators, "we get each other" kind of way, with no pining or hard feelings and Sherlock not being excessively manipulative (because he can't get away with it anymore). I felt that's sort of where they were going in season 3.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT: fair dos, just wondered. I've come across too much "eww, girl cooties" in Sherlock fandom to be comfortable, is all.

[dreemyweird]

Yes, I get where you were coming from. The way many shippers hate the very idea of a het pairing/a female character getting a lot of screentime completely skeeves me out, too.

(Well, it's not just the Sherlock fandom, either, but in this context, yeah.)

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[anonymous4]

Well, no, they couldn't focus on the relationship without changing the genre of the programme, but they could certainly have it bubbling along in the background (rather like they do now) and, personally, I wouldn't mind seeing that.

1. Sherlock's relationship with Janine has already shown us that he's either straight or bisexual (or, at least, can fake it if the case demands it).
2. Molly's tried to move on, but those relationships were doomed to failure because (ignoring the whole criminal mastermind business) the men weren't Sherlock. She's not happy with second best. Maybe having a relationship with Sherlock would finally cure her.
3. Why would it have to be 'romantic'? To make a relationship between Sherlock and Molly work, without changing their basic characters, the writers would have to come up with a pretty non-conventional way of being together (which, tbh, is what interests me when I think about writing Sherlock/Molly fic, though I've never got past the 'thinking about it' stage).

[dreemyweird]

1. But there's a huge difference between "either straight or bisexual" and "can fake being straight or bisexual"?.. I grant you, the show creators have stated that his relationship with Irene was romantic/sexual (and it is pretty obvious from the text, too) and that he is NOT an asexual character; this was unpleasant. But introducing a romantic relationship that is explicitly labelled as such can only make things worse and leave less room for interpretation. At least this way some fans can consider Sherlock's asexuality/aromanticism textually plausible.

Finally, bisexual Sherlock would still be better than heterosexual Sherlock, for the reasons I've already mentioned.

2. That is true, but it doesn't mean that having a relationship with Sherlock will make anything better. The same may be true of any fangirl crushing on a celebrity. Unhealthy and unrealistic crushes do tend to have this effect.

3. Uh, it would be romantic in any case? Or do you propose what some people call a "queerplatonic" relationship? I can't say I dislike the idea. But it would not be Sherlolly, it would be a close friendship.

[(Anonymous)]

Sherlock is monastic not asexual. This has been stated repeatedly by the ptb. He doesn't have relationships because they take time away from his work.

[dreemyweird]

While I accept anything the creators say as canon and so for me, Sherlock as an asexual character is ruined, not all fans are like this. Some prefer to treat the plausibility of different interpretations of the text as being independent of the authorial intent.

[anonymous4]

1. I see him as aromantic but not necessarily asexual. (And I'm comfortable with his being straight, but that's a personal thing).

2. It doesn't have to make things worse, though. People are always saying 'Molly deserves better'. Well, a) at the moment, Molly can't imagine there is better and b) if she's the half the woman we all think she is, she deserves the chance to learn from experience.

3. No, I don't mean queerplatonic. I suppose I was splitting hairs a bit -- I meant not the oversimplified 'romance-by-numbers' so many TV programmes give us; I meant a complex, emotionally adult relationship.

[dreemyweird]

I think I can get behind 2. Okay, I think I could even get behind 3 - at least in that if the show were any good, Sherlolly could be played as a meaningful and interesting development. Yes, I guess the issue here is more that the show is already bad and incapable of good plot developments.

Tbh in the end I have to agree, sort of. I suppose my initial reaction was mostly due to the fact that any incarnation of Holmes being in a romantic relationship with a woman just completely throws me off. I want to see Sherlock as an aromantic-asexual, too, but the creators have ruined this for me, so Sherlolly would probably not make it worse.

[(Anonymous)]

Ooh, bisexual Sherlock..that's a swell idea. <3

[(Anonymous)]

I read "heterosexual holmes is a terrible idea" and automatically tune out everything else and assume you're a hardcore slash fangirl who hates girl cooties.

[dreemyweird]

I've never shipped a single pairing in my life and never wrote any fic but gen. I prefer friendship storylines over romantic storylines, always, regardless of the characters' genders. I hate most popular slash pairings (and Johnlock more than any other) because the majority of their fans are obnoxious and delusional.

tl;dr: you failed spectacularly.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay I lol'd out loud. XD Everyone should respond to people like the ayrt like this.

[(Anonymous)]

I like a lot of slash pairings in my brain-palace. Yet I have to agree with I hate most popular slash pairings (and Johnlock more than any other) because the majority of their fans are obnoxious and delusional.

(yes, writing Johnlock slash is just like the Stonewall Rebellion, please, tell me more.)

I kind of do want Sherlock to be gay, and I really don't want him to be straight. But I will also never touch the Johnlock pairing with a ten-foot pole after seeing the slash fandom, and I sure couldn't ship Sherlock with anyone else. I would like him to be a gay hermit because actually, gay people are not defined by sexual relationships, any more than straight people are.

I think I had a lot more fun with slash when I was a kid who enjoyed imagining Starsky kissing Hutch on the lips, and hadn't discovered the internet yet. Sad, really.

[(Anonymous)]

I enjoy how hard you're flaunting how difficult it is for you to think.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, having a limited imagination is sad, so I'm sorry. But chalk me up as another non-slash fan who also thinks heterosexual Holmes is a terrible idea.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

Did you even see dreemyweird's reply?