[ SECRET POST #2884 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2884 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

Crunchyroll's paid membership has actually doubled (200k to 400k) in the past year and half, but I agree on the manga market.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I don't know anyone who pirates anime anymore because there are so many legal ways to watch it now.

[(Anonymous)]

More like fans don't give a shit about the industry. Western piracy doesn't hurt the Japanese anime/manga industry, people who don't buy western anime or manga releases could care less about the western industry.

[(Anonymous)]

oh look America thinks the whole world is America
again

*obligatory comment about not having any legal shit at all*

[(Anonymous)]

this. i can't choose to go the legal route if there is no legal route.

[iggy]

Most of the people who complain about this shit do have access to it though. It's just not ~good enough~ for them. Check out any thread on ANN on piracy and you'll find fanboys going on about the INDIGNANCY of the provided-the-same-day-it-airs-in-Japan not having a high enough bitrate for them or whatnot, despite the fact that it looks perfectly decent.

They're just making excuses to pirate. It's entitled as hell.

If you don't have a legal route, then obviously you're not part of the problem. That being said, plenty of countries have a lot of streaming options outside of just America, so this isn't necessarily just an American thing.

[kallanda_lee]

Here's the thing: I don't generally pay for just a digital copy, and a lot of stuff isn't available in shops near me, or it's in French translation which I don't really feel like. So yeah, the rare stuff I do absolutely want to read, I'll find online sources for.

[(Anonymous)]

I got into manga/anime because you can get it for free. same with webcomics, same with some more popular cartoons.

sorry for ruining it for others, but this is my cheap entertainment

[(Anonymous)]

You mean non-Japanese anime/manga industry, right? Because for the Japanese industry all foreign sales are an extra.

But even then, you have to remember that licensed stuff (even digital releases) are only available to certain countries, so just because something is popular doesn't mean it it has that many possible-customers.

There's always the option of importing, sure, but it's extremely expensive and a total hassle (just this month my latest manga purchase got lost after arriving to my country and the shipping company is refusing to at least give a fucking excuse)

I probably should shut-up because no one cares about the perspective of fans outside certain areas, but really, popularity on the Internet =/= popularity in the countries anime/manga is available.

(And I'm not denying some people want stuff for free, but it's debatable whether they hurt the industry [would they really buy it if they couldn't get it for free?] and more importantly, if they have an effect it's not exclusive to just one industry)

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, the only people making a profit from my imports are the shipping companies and customs. I'd love to import more stuff, but when shipping is about three times as expensive as the things you want to buy... yeah, no.

[iggy]

100% agreed.

[(Anonymous)]

I'll fully admit that I am entitled and just want free stuff.

[(Anonymous)]

And I think most licensing companies are backwards and outdated and don't listen to their fans or care about quality.

I live in Japan and can understand Japanese and watch the anime I like on TV or buy the manga I want cheap and unadulterated at the local bookstore, so I don't have a horse in this race anymore. But when I see scanlation groups doing more accurate, more timely, higher quality scanlations than companies that expect people to pay them for material that's over a year old?

I laugh, shake me head, and give helpful fans links to unofficial stuff that's up-to-date. If the licensing industry goes down, it only has itself to blame. Model yourself after any scanlation group with regard to speed and availability and quality, then you'll see your margins improve.

[(Anonymous)]

companies that expect people to pay them for material that's over a year old

This is my main beef with the US manga industry right here. I don't want to have to wait for months after a chapter comes out to be able to read it and in the meantime avoid tumblr, pixiv, etc. unless I want spoilers.

I just want to be able to read things in a timely fashion. They do it with anime now so why can't they do it with manga too? I know it doesn't take months to translate a single manga chapter because I have scanlator friends who can do it in a couple of hours.

[(Anonymous)]

The official translations legally can't beat the quickest fantranslators on being 'timely,' because the quickest fantranslators break the street date. The magazines have to start being printed nearly a week before the street date, in order to actually get the magazines to stores across Japan in time. And so someone in the supply chain steals a magazine, scans it illegally, and uploads the scans somewhere, which the scanlators then use to make their translations. Places like Shonen Jump and Crunchyroll release their manga the same day people in Japan get to read it, but that's evidently not good enough.

And quality? I've seen a heck of a lot more fan scans with awkward, stilted, and just plain wrong translations than I have official versions with the same problems. Not to mention the multitude of 'according to keikaku' level incidents of fetishizing the original words.

There's a lot of people who idolize the fansub/scanlation scene way out of proportion to the actual good they do. I really think saying the translation companies are at fault for people wanting free stuff is pretty significant victim blaming here.

[(Anonymous)]

This is a serious fan misconception and grudge held against how official translations were back in the day. Only a few of the big titles get this fast and accurate translation treatment. Even those have a lot of errors.

Most of the fan translators today are super slow and half assed. They give up projects easily and fan are left in the dark about how a series ends/what's going on in it and can only hope someone on tumblr does a simple text translation of whatever was not scantalated. Idek why people still stan for fan translations anymore when they do shit like this. And yes I know they are not entitled to go on but they are feeding into this problem, so they are accountable.

And no the industry isn't to blame. Look at TV fandoms, people do buy into DVD's and watch, so shows will continue to thrive. Anime/Manga fans like to BS that they support, but we've become spoiled by the internet and don't buy the actual products. Then we want to whine when companies don't have more products out, or stop publishing something because sales tanked. The anime and manga industry isn't here to be our BFF's and braid hair, it is a damn business. It wants money and if money doesn't come in, products stop and no new products will be invested in.

I think the biggest think you're neglecting in all this is the chapters are rushed, and it's nice to read them in the magazine, but because of the rush they are often flawed and later in the manga format retouched. It'd be nice to have the chapter next day from an official company to support them, but I'd rather prefer the touched up manga that's been carefully gone over.

[(Anonymous)]

Damn, stuff like this makes me feel bad. But, like, I buy series, I got a year long membership at Crunchyroll. I've bought e-books even though I prefer hard copies because I want to show my support. Don't know what else I could do.

[(Anonymous)]

Tokyopop was shit though. Also I remember people saying that their OEL manga publishing contract was really skeevy?

[(Anonymous)]

i can't say i give a fuck. if i couldn't get it for free (without fucking ads interrupting my viewing), i simply wouldn't watch.

[(Anonymous)]

Tbh, even though I've been a fan for a long while, I really don't care if the industry completely crashes and these greedy fans are left sol with only their precious fan translations. It'd find the melt down the fans would have delicious.

:economist hat:

[raspberryrain]

You do realise that Japan has been in deflation or very low inflation for a couple of decades, right?

I'm not convinced that file-sharing means as much as macroeconomic issues like central bank policy and the employment insecurity of freeters.

File-sharing allows more dissemination of source material. It's unclear how much money is actually lost due to it. Without file-sharing, the revenues of manga publishers might be about the same, but the widespread cultural knowledge of their publications much lower. And that could actually be bad for long-term revenues, as their would be less cultivation of a manga fanbase.

Or you could be right that it was contributory. We don't really know.

It is the case that film and printed matter translators and importers were prone to going out of business even before 1998 and the explosion of the Internet.

[(Anonymous)]

Back in the day, when I was young and flush with money, I owned every single anime DVD release available at the time.

I am now older, disabled, and on a fixed income, so I can't remember the last time I bought a DVD series, even for shows I would love to own.

That being said, now I watch licensed series on Crunchyroll and Hulu. If a series is unlicensed, how exactly am I hurting the industry by watching the fansub? Heck, in my case, I'm dabbling in fansubbing again, because even though some series have been licensed that I would never have DREAMED would be (looking at you "Oniisama E..."), there are a bunch of old, unprofitable titles that have never had an official english subtitled (much less dubbed) release.

People also seem to forget that a lot of the early licensing happened because of fansubs. Series like "Cowboy Bebop", "Evangelion" and "Trigun" were hugely popular in the fansubbing world, so people with money took a shot at licensing them. Now we're in an age of simulcasts, which is astounding to me.

Do the latest and greatest shows need to be fansubbed? No. But there are plenty of titles out there that have no licensing, and shouldn't be forced to remain obscure due to the fact they wouldn't turn a profit.

[(Anonymous)]

They're surviving. I actually think they should stop dubbing things altogether. Waste of time and resources.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd say I probably consume equal amounts legally as I do through pirating. I buy loads and loads of manga, but a lot of the series I like haven't been released in English, or they're out of print. I read the entirety of BLAME! through scanslations and would have bought it legally but the large images did not work when scaled down to graphic novel size (so much distortion in the screen tones!). Things like Attack on Titan, as well - I would probably buy it, cause I don't think the fan translations are all that accurate, except the graphic novels are way more expensive than graphic novels typically are (at least in my area. I'm talking 15-20$ when compared to 10$ for other manga)

I watch more pirated anime because I don't wanna spend 30$ on a DVD only to not like the anime. But for the most part I try to watch on Crunchyroll when it's available. There are other series that I love and that I'm slowly obtaining legal copies of, but they're hard to find (out of print) so I'd rather watch the whole thing at once instead of waiting months/years between DVDs.