[ SECRET POST #2918 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2918 ⌋

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Comments

Re: fandom stuff you're super defensive about

[(Anonymous)]

"Watching Let's Plays is just as immersive/gives you just as much info about the game as playing it does!"

NO. No. As a hardcore gamer and hardcore Let's Play fan. No. They are not even comparable. LPs, even great ones, are like movie trailers. Maybe you'll get the major story beats from a Let's Play and see all the major cutscenes, but game worlds are fucking huge and the interactivity is part of the experience and the story in the same way music or level design are.

Re: fandom stuff you're super defensive about

[herpymcderp]

Not to mention that even the most thorough LPs usually miss story details when they're given in the form of collectibles. Sometimes they even miss entire optional areas or side quests.

Don't get me wrong, I love LPs to the point that I watch them more than I watch television shows or movies, but they're not really a complete substitute for gameplay.

Re: fandom stuff you're super defensive about

[(Anonymous)]

I fucking agree. I hate YouTubers and Let's Players in general, but there's no way you can get the same experience from a game by just watching it.

Re: fandom stuff you're super defensive about

[sarillia]

I get kind of annoyed when people say that playing a game is more immersive than other forms of stories like it's a universal fact. Obviously it's more immersive for a lot of people since so many of them say that, but that's just not how it works for me. I get pulled right out of the story because I feel so much pressure to do everything right. The knowledge that the story will never continue if I screw up too much is constantly hanging over my head and sucking all the enjoyment out of it.

And now we know why I'm not a gamer.

Re: fandom stuff you're super defensive about

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I don't think games are more immersive than other forms of media, necessarily? They're a different kind of immersive. I certainly have gotten equally immersed in TV and movies before!

It just irritates me when people try to separate games from gameplay, as if it doesn't matter. Maybe it's because I'm really into game design, but there are dozens of systems built into gameplay all designed to give the player different kinds of feedback. There's just so much to it, from how clunky or floaty the controls are (sometimes on purpose to give a certain feel to whatever your controlling, like a big robot responding slowly to input or a character on ice maintaining momentum), to grinding through a challenging dungeon and feeling accomplished when you get to the end hours later.

I mean, the perfect example of 'games are designed to be played' is how people react to Aerith's death scene in FF7. It's one of the most iconic parts of any game even now, nearing two decades later. And a huge part of that is how the player's control over Cloud is subverted. How many gamers panicked and started mashing every button on the controller to no avail? That's huge, and you would never get that from watching an LP.

Re: fandom stuff you're super defensive about

[sarillia]

So it's only with games that you argue that playing them is more immersive than watching them, not that games are more immersive than watching a movie or reading a book in general? I can go along with that. I definitely understand where you're coming from with how games are meant to be played. It's like the arguments about plays where people say that they're meant to be watched on stage and aren't the same experience when you're simply reading them. I'm not prepared to say that one is better than the other because I think personal differences come into play, but I completely agree that they are different experiences.

Re: fandom stuff you're super defensive about

[feotakahari]

Let me put it this way: if a play is being put on, but the actors aren't very good, would you rather watch it or read the script? I favor the latter.

Re: fandom stuff you're super defensive about

[(Anonymous)]

"as a hardcore gamer" l m f a o

please get over yourself