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⌈ Secret Post #2936 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

Maybe you just want the sex to be meaningful? Theoretically a drunken hook up could be, but 99% of the time it's not. Nothing wrong with it, but if you're looking for emotion then a drunken hook up probably won't satisfy on that front.

[(Anonymous)]

Is it different if it's two people in a consensual/committed relationship who get drunk together, and half drunk sex? Or does it only bug you if it's two people who don't have a previously established (sexual) relationship?

OP

[(Anonymous)]

If they're together I really don't mind, even if I can't say I'm a fan. Hell, framed well enough I might even like it.

If they have been flirting or have been friends and hook up drunk or have never met before but hook up drunk and then start a relationship (right after or some time later), then that's where I nope out of a pairing.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Makes sense. Thanks for clarifying!

[(Anonymous)]

There's nothing "ship" about it if the "relationship" is built on random and meaningless sex. Anyone can have random and meaningless sex with anyone else.

[purpleseas]

It's a pretty low-effort, generic way to get a pairing into bed without much buildup. I really prefer them to get there without that kind of artificial push. I do love characters from no-direct-communication-allowed kinds of canons getting drunk and having really honest conversations, though, so I've written that. Followed by some drunken dream-induced cuddling, lol. :3

[fingalsanteater]

I've written one drunk sex fic, but it didn't end in a romantic relationship.

But, yeah. Not a huge fan of drunken hook-up beginnings to a relationship. It doesn't resonate as well with me emotionally.

[(Anonymous)]

There are a lot of consent issues when alcohol is involved, specially if the fic implies that the couple (or threesome, or foursome, or...) would not have had sex had they not been drunk. Not saying that all drunk sex is rape, of course, but in my experience some drunk!sex fics are pretty skeevy.

Maybe that could be what is turning you off?

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. Drunk to where you find everything funnier, you get really flirty, and you decide it's safer not to drive? Sure, rock on and get your rocks off. Drunk to where you're incapable of standing upright and you're calling people by the wrong name? FUCK NO.

I've seen some drunk!fic that I think must've been written by teenage teetotalers, because they don't seem to understand that the latter is not the ONLY stage of drinking. You don't have one beer and then forget how to have feet, regardless of what your youth pastor told you.

[(Anonymous)]

Huh. It's actually one of my favorites, if not favorite, fic set-ups, both for casual and for a relationship start. That's probably because most of my hook-ups and relationships started in parties/bar settings. Plus, we don't do the dating thing here, so the whole asking people out is something I can't really relate to.

[(Anonymous)]

Me too, OP. It really bothers me. Although not mainly because of any consent issues (although it is part of it).. but just because I can't buy the romance of the pairing that way.

They hate each other... (or they're good friends).. they fall into bed drunkenly.. they wake up and remember..... ooo they see each other in a different way now.. instant love!

I just can't believe in a romance that starts like that? I guess. If it happens in a fic I nope out. (Unless it's crack)

If it happens in a movie, I continue while rolling my eyes. If it happens in a tv show? I care less because I hardly ship the canon pairings.

[(Anonymous)]

What about the fics where they already like each other and kinda flirts and just need the extra push to get things going?

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

It depends on the execution then! I'd give it a try if that was the case.

But yeah my problem with it is "lust = love"... like: "i hate him, but he's so hot..." "drunken sex" "wow i guess i love him"..

but I guess that's poor writing rather than the trope itself.

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[(Anonymous)]

Image: a man and woman silhouetted against a sunset, toasting with wine.

Text: Whether in canon or in fanfic, the fastest way for me to not ship a pair is if they have a drunken hook-up.

I’m not certain why.

[(Anonymous)]

Aww, but I love using that for a PWP premise.

Oh well, won't stop me from using it.

[(Anonymous)]

That's pretty much just the nature of fandom. I do like gen stuff, but porn tends to be more vocally liked.

[(Anonymous)]

Different strokes for different folks?

As long as the parties are aware enough to consent I'm all about the drunken sex fanfics. All of them.

Canon though, it depends on the pair but I can't think of anything I do ship that started like that. With fanfics I give way more leeway to because it's not like they only have one shot to get it right. I can read about my paring falling for each other a hundred different times a hundred different ways.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, in particular I will never understand when the drunken hook-up is presented as being sexy and not gross (Hi there, authors of at least three separate-but-equally-terrible smutty fanfics I had the misfortune of stumbling on this month alone!!!). It wouldn't necessarily put me off a ship altogether, but I can see how you'd feel that way, OP.

If one person is drunk and the other is sober, now THAT is really off-putting. Not only for the potential consent issues, but - hey, authors, haven't you noticed that drunk people tend to be kind of gross? I mean it's the kind of thing someone who is ALSO drunk might overlook, but: reeking of alcohol, being poorly co-ordinated and/or incoherent - these things are not exactly attractive! (Sure, not everyone gets drunk in the same way, but being in a state of drunkenness is a downgrade from sobriety for 99% of people.)

Not to mention it's usually a downright lazy way to have people get together. I mean it COULD be handled well and actually used to deepen a relationship, as the couple work on getting over the awkwardness of it and whatnot, it just usually... isn't.

[lunabee34]

I understand where you're coming from, OP, but I have a soft spot for that sort of get together because that's how my husband and I got together.

Drunken hookup = 14 years of marriage (17 total) FTW! LOL

[(Anonymous)]

Same here, though it's been 8 years and not a marriage. And sober me wasn't sure she was interested before that drunken hook-up happened.

[(Anonymous)]

It is realistic, though. A lot of my relationships have started out that way. One of them lasted 7 years.

[(Anonymous)]

sa

That's why I like to write it, because I know what it feels like, and if it's good, it's really good. "Write what you know" and all that.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm only interested in that sort of thing if the hook up happens, they both regret it, and then the relationship starts because of something else. Also, pining--there must be pining.

...I like some trashy fic, okay?

[(Anonymous)]

Doesn't necessarily kill it for me, but a lot of the time it feels like a cop-out or at least a shortcut and just less interesting than other ways to get them there that have the characters more actively choosing each other.

(that's for cases where both people are tipsy-drunk--if one is significantly more impaired it's a NOPE NOPE NOPE ABORT.)