[ SECRET POST #2939 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2939 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

07. http://i.imgur.com/sdp3Hyz.png

[ex_mek82]

Meyers was popular? At most, the people I knew who liked the movie were either indifferent to him or didn't really remember/cared that he existed. I got the point of his character -the audience POV-type-, and while I have no opinion about him (he's just kinda... there), I was kinda glad they put him on a bus for HBII for the sake of the story. He wouldn't have fit in with it at all, imo.

Totally agree about Johann. Seth MacFarlane did do a decent job, I will admit, but he gives me douche chills. (Funny story: I remember I griped a couple times on the old HBII movie forums about MacFarlane being cast. When I actually got a chance to meet Del Toro in person, at a private fan screening of the movie, he remembered my dislike of Danny Elfman more than MacFarlane, haha)

And yes, I agree as well. I'd love a third Hellboy movie so much... but I'm beginning to doubt we'll ever see one, especially with the glut of comic book movies in general and the bubble dangerously close to bursting over the next 2-3 years. :(

[(Anonymous)]

I would like to politely disagree on your point that John wouldn't have fit in the second movie. Considering that Professor Broom hand-picked John as Hellboy's human connection and that Hellboy's public exposure had him questioning his belonging with them, I think John would've been very relevant to showcase the good that Broom had shown HB.

Whether that would've been interesting or not is another story but I did feel John's absence in this regard -- like they just forgot the whole point of him from the first movie.

[ex_mek82]

That's fair. I felt that, between Hellboy and Liz's relationship issues, coupled with Abe and Nuala, plus everything else (Johann, the BPRD/Hellboy being exposed to the public)... having Meyers inserted in between all of that would have been too much, imo. He'd served his purpose as the audience surrogate, so there technically wasn't any need for him to be around anymore.

That said, I would have gladly swapped Jeffrey Tambor's character (whose name is on the tip of my tongue, gah) out for Meyers. Maybe they could have pink slipped Tambor's guy after Hellboy became public and replaced him with Meyers for PR purposes... admittedly, it's been a while since I've seen HBII, so I'm not sure how that could have worked.

[(Anonymous)]

Manning?

Yeah, Manning became irrelevant once Johann was brought in. They were serving the same point.

I think if they had gotten rid of the entire Human vs. Other plot, then John wouldn't have had relevance. But, since they did go there, I just felt his absence every time HB was made to feel like an outsider.

Sidenote: I actually did like Manning in the second film. He's so pathetic, it's endearing -- though I could totally see if not everyone felt the same. :)

[insanenoodlyguy]

Hellboy doesn't need a human connection. His entire life is trying to reach that human connection, actively. He was a pointless addition.

[(Anonymous)]

what's wrong with danny elfman? just curious, i hadn't heard anything.

[ex_mek82]

Just not a huge fan of his music, that's all. It's not really my cup of tea.

I do like some of his Oingo Boingo-related stuff, and I liked his musical number in 'The Corpse Bride', but that's about it.

[(Anonymous)]

1) I love John. I like that he's a genuinely nice person. He doesn't have anything special except his determination to help his friends. He's also the everyman-surrogate, which is often popular.

2) Seth or no Seth, I didn't care for him because his character is annoyingly condescending. His change-of-heart seemed like a bit of an ass-pull. His fighting was cool though.

3) I love the Hellboy movies too! I haven't seen Pacific Rim yet but I will agree that Hellboy deserves a third part. There are so many things I want answered and I want to see. I'm so curious how Hellboy would end up ending the world (and then probably saving it). I also really hope to see him come full circle with his relationship with humanity -- since they know about him now and he began to feel alienated, I feel like the next logical step is for them to stand up for him. I'm not sure if that's really the flavor of these movies but I'd like to see that.

So, basically, yes, I want another sequel!

[sabotabby]

Oooooh, read the comics. The movies (well, the first more than the second, which I didn't like much and actually fell asleep during) are incredibly faithful to the vibe and aesthetic, so if you like them, you'll definitely enjoy the comics. Plus, you'll get more Hellboy, since Pacific Rim 2 is going to happen and Hellboy 3 probably won't.

(I would also prefer Hellboy 3. I loved Pacific Rim, but it felt complete to me.)

[(Anonymous)]

I feel that the storyline of the second film was a little more Hellboy-esque than the first. Or at least it draws attention to the fantasy/mythology aspect of HB that was missing from HB1, which was more Lovecraftian. I think the first is a much better film, but Hellboy spends a lot of time rubbing elbows with fae-folk and mythical beasts so I was pleasantly surprised that they dropped the supernatural crime-fighter angle a little with the second movie. I guess it's not that the second film was more canon or anything.. maybe I'm just glad it was inclusive of other Hellboy elements. I dunno.

[(Anonymous)]

What I wouldn't give for a Hellboy 3 instead of another Pacific Rim. For one, I LOVE the Hellboy movies (and comics!) and for two, I thought Pacific Rim was pretty bland.

[nightscale]

I'm with you on wanting a 3rd Hellboy movie, I've been wanting it since I came out of the cinema for Hellboy 2. I know they're not entirely faithful to the comics but I still really like them and I want to see the resolution with the whole 'Hellboy will end the world' thing.

(I love Pacific Rim a lot but if I had to choose it'd be Hellboy 3 without question, PC at least was nicely self-contained and doesn't feel like it needs a sequel, I mean I'll still go see PC 2 and enjoy it buuuuuut I really want HB 3).

[lentils]

I didn't come into the Hellboy movies until years after they'd both been in theaters, but I still feel robbed because we never got a third movie. Especially after the shitty ending to the second one.

[snowcipher]

Kinda OT but I was annoyed that Liz's fire wasn't blue in the second movie.

[(Anonymous)]

I was annoyed she didn't use it more. She seemed like she had much more control and/or was more comfortable with it. I wanted to see her wreck some stuff.

[(Anonymous)]

I was annoyed because she was shelved with the pregnancy plot which left her little time to be badass.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. This is the one point that makes me apprehensive about a sequel because they have to address the kids. So, either Hellboy's a father of twins (which suggests a domestic comedy) or something happens to the babies to get rid of them (which is really, really dark but also focuses on their loss). I can't really see a way that would be interesting to me.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I feel the exact same way about the future of Hellboy 3. Don't get me wrong, I love the two we have, but 2 always gives me this bitter note by how bogged down Liz was with the pregnancy and how the same thing would happen in the next movie with the kids.

Not to mention I have zero interest in domestic HB anyway. I've had my share of Beauty and the Beast parenthood stories, where the Beast always has a character arc centering on father issues that he inevitably is able to overcome.

Though tbh, getting rid of the babies sounds like what the Angel might have been hinting at in the second movie, with the way it claims Liz will suffer more than anyone for bringing Hellboy back to life.

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[(Anonymous)]

Image: stills of John Myers and Johann Krauss from the Hellboy movies.

Text: Secret the 1st: I don’t know why he’s [Myers] so pupular. I thought he was the worst part of the Hellboy movies.

Secret the 2nd: I want to like him [Krauss] (because I find him really cool), but I can’t because he’s voiced by Seth MacFarlane. Yuck.

Secret the 3rd: As much as I loved Pacific Rim, I’d rather have a 3rd Hellboy movie than a 2nd Pacific Rim movie. I thought Pacific Rim was great as a self-contained story and had no need for a sequel, whereas Hellboy II ended with tons of potential for continuation.

(Why yes, I do have way too many opinions about this dumb movie series based on a comic I have never read.)

[alexi_lupin]

Well, I'm excited for Pacific Rim.

[lb_lee]

Hmmm. I admit, Pacific Rim is pretty self-contained, so I'm okay with the idea of not having another.

But I REALLY am not sure about Hellboy 3. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the first two, but bringing in kids is usually what turns me off a series, because the writers rarely know how to deal with them effectively. Either they become little snarkmonsters, cavity-inducing cuteness, or they have to get kidnapped or kept out of the spotlight as much as possible.

That said, I would LOVE to see a pregnant, cranky Liz still kicking ass!