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Maybe I hang around in different fandom circles than you, but I see more "GAH, Uhura is supposed to be this awesome character but the writers fucked her up!*" than anything else.

Which doesn't mean that there aren't some people out there who criticize her more harshly because of her race. American culture is more critical of black women than it is of white woman, so it would be surprising if that attitude didn't carry over into fannish discussions.

But it's one of a lot of different factors, including the fact that Uhura is a lot more of a prominent character, and the fact that her relationship with Spock puts her in direct ship-to-ship conflict with K/S shippers.

*A statement that I am in wholehearted agreement with. (Really? You thought it would be a good idea to have her insist on discussing her relationship with Spock during a life-or-death mission, in the presence of their CO? What the hell, Orci?)

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The OP could be talking about some legitimately racist comments, but in my experience, the criticism I've heard is really directed towards the WRITERS not taking UHURA seriously enough as a character. Which is, if not the opposite of racist, certainly not the same thing as it.

All of what you just said. I mean, they reduced this character:

To this:

Gee, I wonder why there are complaints. (And okay, technically the second TOS!Uhura gif is an outtake, but the sass remains!)

that last gif always gets me because it looks like her upper lip was superglued to his with the way it just sticks for so long

You mean they made her a person? What the fuck is wrong with her being in love with someone or crying because one of her friends died?

I swear you guys are fucked up. Feminism jumped the shark.

The fact that you had to use gifs of nichelle nichols having fun behind the scenes instead of actual scenes with her uhura is the top of your idiotic argument that tos Uhura was such a better developed character and the reboot version is bad because... they allow her to express feelings in the actual story?

Keep being ridiculous people and LIE well knowing you are lying.

"Sass"? Because the only good thing black women are for is "Sass"? She's not allowed to cry? Or stand up for herself? Or stab a Klingon in the leg?? Confront of squad of Klingons alone?? And it's all canon??

You do realize that in that first gif, they're actually not themselves and are being controlled, right??

SMDH

"You do realize that in that first gif, they're actually not themselves and are being controlled, right??"

Actually, Uhura's in control of herself. It's just that she's acting here. They're all working together to try to behave as illogically as possible to cause Harvey Mudd's androids to basically "logic bomb" and stop functioning. Earlier in the episode, she also pretends to betray the crew for the promise of eternal beauty/immortality, but it's clear that she's just acting and Kirk tells her she did wonderfully.

The episode is I, Mudd.

judging from the intellectual depth of the original comment made by the person who posted the gifs, they probably don't even know what happened in the scene and posted the gif just because they think it's a 'sassy' moment.
If they actually remembered any of the awesome moments of the character, I doubt they'd post these particular gifs (one of which is a behind the scene). The fact they couldn't think about better scenes to compare to the ones of reboot Uhura speaks volumes.

Or I was just going to bed and didn't want to spent half an hour going through tumblr trying to find gifs of less popular, particular scenes (which I've done in the past; and then I've looked at myself and have gone "why the fuck did i just waste all that time doing that).

I will admit my use of the word "sass" was misplaced though. TOS!Uhura had a friendly playfulness to her in addition to her professionalism at doing her job. This manifested in the way she interacted with her crewmates both on and off stage. There are a lot of moments in TOS that I would have a hard time imagining reboot!Uhura doing. Part of that is because TOS!Uhura is older and the crew has been her extended family for years, but that change is a choice and I can still criticize it.

You made a bad argument because honestly the gifs of reboot uhura kind of suggest some character development that the first of tos uhura don't have. It's like you are comparing comedy with drama.
If like you implied people have a problem with her crying or kissing her boyfriend well, that's stupid because there is nothing wrong with either unless you are angry that she's a human or hate the second because it's against your ship. But neither are grand examples of her character being bad or the writers ruining her.
It almost seems like you are mocking her haters...

See other comment:

http://fandomsecrets.dreamwidth.org/1154732.html?thread=809689516#cmt809689516

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the person posting the gifs must be insane
there is just nothing wrong with Uhura having feelings and that kiss is hella rad.

so Kirk and Spock were also reduced to ( bad characters) because of this?

FUCK. THIS. SHIT

For the second? Yes. Spock didn't even cry when his planet exploded, he's not going to cry over the death of one person he doesn't even seem to like.

The reboot is just shitty characterization all over, really. I don't think Uhura's is worse than anyone else's, but that's not saying much.

Maybe Spock's reaction doesn't make sense to you, but that isn't even the case in the Uhura gifs where it seems that the person I'm replying has a problem with her having feelings even though it makes sense in the context of the scenes.
Neither that gif where she's sad nor the one where she's kissing Spock are examples of 'shitty characterization' for me.
In the first, Uhura was crying because someone she happens to consider a friend just died and the person she's in love with went after the person who is responsible for her friend's death and he could die too.
The second is just a gif of two characters kissing. Now if someone has a problem with kissing in general and thinks that's 'shitty' and disgusting and offensive for some cultural reason it's one thing, but for many people in real life that's hardly the kind of image that should inspire disgust or make people think that a character is shitty. In context, these characters are in a relationship and people who are in relationship will kiss sometimes especially when your partner is about to go in a mission from which he might not come back to. If someone is trying to say that Uhura is just eye candy and a sexual object, I have to question if they actually watched that movie.
In either scene, her reactions make totally sense. If someone thinks that there is something wrong about Uhura having feelings well, there must be something wrong with that person.

Hey, all you asked was whether people thought the Spock scene was OOC. I said yes. People having problems with Uhura's characterization but being fine with everyone else's is stupid, I agree, (especially since the problems with Kirk's and Spock's characterization are much greater IMO) but people having problems with everyone's characterization including Uhura's is understandable.

Kind of? I'm not a huge fan of the reboot movies in general. I felt like they simplified a lot of characterization into SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS + MAIN CHARACTERS CRY ABOUT IT + MAIN CHARACTERS YELL WITH ANGER.

Also, my objections with Uhura crying/emoting in the movies is that she always seemed to do it as a satellite to someone else's more major pain. Even her relationship with Spock makes her a satellite of his story line and his character in general. And I know part of adaptation a series into a movie is the reduced screen time, and so different characters get shafted and other stuff has to be combined and Kirk and Spock are the main characters so it kind of makes sense that the rest of the crew has to revolve around them now, but it's still annoying.

Like search for "Best of Uhura" youtube and the first page is mostly all Uhura/Spock moments.

da

but like you said, Uhura is just a secondary character and the reboot movies aren't about her.
I mean good luck trying to find what McCoy did beside being Jim Kirk's best friend (tbh, Uhura did more than McCoy or the other secondary male characters saved maybe for Scotty in the last movie).
This doesn't mean that Uhura and McCoy are bad characters just because the way they get to show their emotions is in relation to important their relationships with the main characters that are important to them.

"Maybe I hang around in different fandom circles than you, but I see more "GAH, Uhura is supposed to be this awesome character but the writers fucked her up!*" than anything else."

yeah, they 'fucked her up' because they made her awesome and put her in a relationship and gave her more screentime and possibility of character development in two movies than the other writers did in the whole star trek franchise. Shame.
They think it was better when she was a background character and the most groundbreaking thing was just her being there, and her kissing Kirk against her free will was the only acceptable way she could have a 'romance'.

Really? You thought it would be a good idea to have her insist on discussing her relationship with Spock during a life-or-death mission, in the presence of their CO?

it's stupid that people keep harping on that one Uhura's scene when in the same movies the male characters were worse and no one cares about that. Just because she's a woman and her relationship with Spock isn't friendship like the one between him and Kirk, it doesn't mean that, by default, her arguing with her boyfriend is more unprofessional or useless for the plot than a guy (the captain!) arguing with his friends all the time. With all due respect but if you were looking for characters that act professionally all the time you chose the wrong movies.
Honestly, I understand her reasons for being angry with Spock more than Kirk's complains that Spock was not human.

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