[ SECRET POST #2948 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2948 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

04. http://i.imgur.com/CrlzMB7.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

I have to think if 49% of the world suddenly vanished, it'd be pretty tough to hold things together no matter what group of people it was.

That said, I also kind of agree.

[(Anonymous)]

Especially when many, many women are from countries where they have to depend on men to do everything. Even walk them down the road. To have this new independence thrust on them? It would be chaos or at the very least, very hard for them to adjust.

[(Anonymous)]

nah. jarring at first maybe, but you underestimate the women of these countries.

[(Anonymous)]

I really can't tell if you're trolling or just catastrophically ignorant, but:

- no, the vast majority of women do not live under oppression that severe, and
- the only place I can think of where women aren't supposed to be unaccompanied in public is Saudi Arabia, and they get plenty of shit done not-in-public, especially if they aren't from the small upper class
- the comic didn't even take place in those countries??? it was primarily set in america and japan so. like. the degree of apocalypticism in the canon is unrelated to laws/cultures that extreme

ayrt's comment is p spot-on tho, just 80% of the truckers and 90%+ of the cargo airplane pilots dying would fuck a tonne of shit up in a sprawling postindustrial society like america

[(Anonymous)]

Pretty much this. Civilization depends on keeping a lot of balls in the air at once. You can drop one here or there and keep going, but if you suddenly drop HALF of them at the same time? You're basically gonna have to start over.

[(Anonymous)]

nah. google "black death and technology."

[(Anonymous)]

Balls in the air.

Don't think I didn't see what you did there.

[(Anonymous)]

The problem wasn't so much that they vanished, but that they died: massive numbers of corpses everywhere, plane and other vehicle crashes, women pregnant with a male fetus suddenly miscarrying, etc. If 49% of the population vanished, it would probably be cleaner and easier to recover.

There were various places in the comics where the survivors had recovered pretty well.

[(Anonymous)]

Especially when one gender totally dominates certain industries.

For instance, most sewer maintenance people are men. Sewers are important. Training a whole new workforce to look after the waste system when half the population is already gone would be no mean feat. Disease would soon be a severe public problem.

[lb_lee]

I thought that was honestly kind of the POINT, though. That women aren't magical fairy beings of peace and love, they're mean and violent and just as prone to panic and terrible judgment as men are; the only difference is that now THEY have the power. (Well, what's left after the apocalypse.)

I mean, I had a lot of issues with Y: The Last Man, but I honestly kind of LIKED that the women's world wasn't magically better than pre-apocalypse.

That said, I was PISSED that trans and intersex people weren't much discussed. I mean COME ON, with a stupid idea like that, the field was wide open!

--Rogan

[philstar22]

There is a difference between not magically better and completely falling apart, though. Although, as the anon above said, losing half the world's population would cause a lot of problems. Still, I don't think everything would fall apart so completely.

[lb_lee]

I dunno, 50% of the population is KILLER. I mean, 'decimate' originally meant to lose one in ten, and that was supposed to be pretty hellish. I think the Bubonic Plagues killed one in three, and it was considered one of the most awful times there.

In this case, you'd have a corpse for every person still alive. And that's if you presume that there was no collateral damage in the inevitable traffic accidents, fires, and general mayhem. In reality, you'd probably lose another significant portion of the population to the chaos after, ESPECIALLY since your rescue workers, doctors, and health personnel are similar wrecked. And if you don't haul things together fast enough, then you have the diseases breaking out...

Honestly, I can buy the world collapsing like a house of cards like that.

--Rogan

[(Anonymous)]

I kinda feel that about most post-apocalypse stories. Like, I watch LPs by Markiplier, and whenever he plays something dystopic/survival he says plaintively "I really do think if something terrible happened we wouldn't all turn on each other and start killing each other! We can be better than that! Teamwork is so much more effective!" and I'm like, preach it brother.

[sarillia]

Same. There's a reason civilization has formed and survived in so many forms throughout history.

[lb_lee]

Yeah, I admit, post-apocalyptic survival shit tends to bore me for the same reason. Cooperation is a HUGE necessity, but most of those stories are way more interested in peddling the Great Lone Badass narrative.

Part of that is I know that in an apocalypse like that, I'd be one of the first to die. Severely mentally ill, off their meds (no pharmacists after the apocalypse!), no survivalist skills whatsoever? I'd be dead in a week.

However, in a cooperative group, I would be usefulish, because I can cook, clean, do grunt work, basic gardening, and tell stories. (Never underestimate the power of entertainment after the apocalypse.)

--Rogan

[(Anonymous)]

IIRC, some studies were done about how people in the Towers behaved on 9/11. And rather than some dog-eat-dog, every-man-for-himself-and-devil-take-the-hindmost scenario, people cooperated in getting out, and helped and comforted each other. I don't know how you would do a google scholar search to find those papers, but I'm pretty sure they're out there.

[iceyred]

Honestly, I think that if the menfolk up and disappeared, we'd all spend the first few weeks scratching our heads. Certain countries and areas that are male dominated and do things like ban women from driving and nonsense like that would have a harder time of it than others. It would be interesting to see how they would progress as time went on. To go from not being allowed to drive to ruling the country is a big step.

[(Anonymous)]

Vanishing is different from dying awful bloody sudden death, though. Like, yeah, aside from plane and car crashes and stuff, vanishing wouldn't be as bad because no having to deal with corpse disposal, or rise in disease from not safely burying/cremating the bodies or anything. It'd be frightening, but not in the same way as watching half the population bleed to death, which is what happens in the comic.

[(Anonymous)]

The series is a fun subversion of the "peaceful, all-woman utopian paradise" trope, but yeah I agree.

[(Anonymous)]

I kind of like Joanna Russ's take on it.

http://beyondescapism.com/2014/09/29/a-short-story-review-when-it-changed-by-joanna-russ/

[feotakahari]

Wow. I'm not even sure which "traditional" gender that's more offensive towards. (It's probably most insulting to us queer folks.)

Transcript

[(Anonymous)]

Image: cover from Y: The Last Man

Text: I love this series, but it still bothers me how easily the world fell into an anarchic bloody dystopia after all the men were killed.

I get the author’s point that the positions of world power were heavily skewed in favour of men, but I’d like to think us women would do a little better job of holding it all together!

[(Anonymous)]

Oh c'mon, of fucking course the world would turn to shit if half the population suddenly died with no explanation, especially considering all the collateral damage. At least they managed to sort it out and getting society back up and running in the end.

Also, some places were coping better than others. I remember Australia was a disaster area but it was pointed out that New Zealand, which (at the time, at least) had far more women in positions of leadership, was doing quite well.

[(Anonymous)]

I never understand this criticism.

If half the population suddenly keeled over dead, no matter which half it was - whether it was all the men, all the women, or a combination of the two - it would be devastating. Things would be awful for at least a little while.

I feel like people treat it as if it's not a big deal because "but women are capable of doing things." Yes, women are as capable as men, but it's not about capability, it's about a catastrophic, apocalyptic event. 49% of the world dying all at once is a bit more than just a bad day.