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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-01-29 06:52 pm

[ SECRET POST #2948 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2948 ⌋

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[personal profile] kallanda_lee 2015-01-30 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
Gawd, this so much.
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[personal profile] snowcipher 2015-01-30 12:17 am (UTC)(link)
Couldn't agree more.
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[personal profile] sarillia 2015-01-30 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not someone who lectures people about their preferences, but what baffles me is how so many people think that a person's attitude toward certain fictional people has absolutely nothing to do with their attitude toward the real people they represent. I don't think those attitudes are always exactly the same but there is often some connection. I'm not going to make assumptions about people based on the fiction they like, but if we're talking in abstractions rather than picking on individual people, I can't get behind the total reality/fiction divide where neither one informs or reflects the other at all.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-30 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
I agree with this (though I suspect it's not a popular opinion). It's the main reason I'm not comfortable with those who rave about shota, for example, or sideeye those who use rape as an all-purpose verb in videogame chat.
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[personal profile] kallanda_lee 2015-01-30 12:38 am (UTC)(link)
Fair enough, but *what* connection? Because that's tricky to speculate.

I mean let's take the old rape fantasy thing, it's not that people with rape fantasies = rapists. SOME of them might take it to the bdsm scene, but most even don't, and just keep it to fiction.

So what, then, realistically, does that say about a person?
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[personal profile] sarillia 2015-01-30 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know. I don't claim to know. I just think it's worth thinking about instead of immediately denying it.

I think it's highly individual though, so the same interests wouldn't say the same thing about different people because it's extremely complicated with personal history and larger culture and all kinds of things interacting and influencing the preference.

But I'm not really trying to convince anyone of anything. If other people disagree, which they do, that's fine. I just can't say I understand their point of view. I feel like the whole reason people get so invested in fiction is because of its connection to real life, even when it's escapism, so to deny that it's connected to real life is to deny its power and importance.

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(Anonymous) 2015-01-30 03:07 am (UTC)(link)
I think there's definitely some connection. It may be very indirect, but we're all influenced in our tastes by our experiences and our environments in one way or another, and I find it strange that many people claim there's a clear dividing line between a person's whole and the things they like (or, conversely, don't like). We all bring a fuckton of baggage even to the most trivial things like fanfics; I find it odd that there'd be a denial of that.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-30 03:15 am (UTC)(link)
Agree. Fiction doesn't exists in a vacuum.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-30 03:17 am (UTC)(link)
I tend to believe it can be fairly far apart. I have a sneeze fetish. Fictional depictions of people needing to sneeze, trying to hold back, the release, are all very very sexy. Even fictional characters in movies and TV sneezing is nice.

Real people sneezing in real life? Nothing. Not a hint of interest.

And I have no clue where it would come from or what armchair psychologists would say about it. I'm sure there are others with the same fetish who do enjoy it in real life, but because of it I'm a lot more likely to believe someone when they say they have a fantasy for something that they'd hate in real life.

I can understand why they would think it.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-30 05:05 am (UTC)(link)
I think that people say that their attitudes toward certain fictional people has nothing to do with their attitudes toward the real people they represent because when some people say that of course there's a connection, they imply or assume that it's the worse one (if you read dub-con/non-con, you're either a rapist, going to be a rapist, or glorifying rape; if you read underage, you're a pedophile; if you read about werewolves/animorphs/whathaveyou, you're into bestiality; if you read gender switches, you're homophobic/transphobic/misogynist).

I think that a lot of people are fascinated by the exploration of shifting power dynamics in fiction (your truly included), but actually experiencing some of it in real life can range from uncomfortable or irritating to horrifying or rage-inducing.

Re: I can understand why they would think it.

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Re: I can understand why they would think it.

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[personal profile] elaminator 2015-01-30 12:52 am (UTC)(link)
Same. (Also, this is a pretty hot picture.)

If you don't get their tastes that's fine, but I don't see the point in harassing them about it. It's rude and a waste of time.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-30 04:36 am (UTC)(link)
+ 1

I need more men getting dommed by women in my fictional life.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-30 05:17 am (UTC)(link)
When I saw it, I thought it was made to go with a certain horror story by Lucy Taylor...
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[personal profile] nightscale 2015-01-30 01:33 am (UTC)(link)
Agreed, I might not get some peoples kinks or preferences but I'm not about to start screaming about how horrible they are for liking it. Idk I just don't care about other peoples porn/erotica tastes.
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[personal profile] houtarouh 2015-01-30 01:36 am (UTC)(link)
Agreed with this secret.

However, that is one hot picture...

(Anonymous) 2015-01-30 01:36 am (UTC)(link)
oh my goodness this!

I read/write some pretty dark fic. And some of the comments I receive...

1) fic is a way of exploring. There are stacks of kinks I love to read/write about that I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole in real life
2) writing about a kink doesn't even mean you condone it. It's exploring. Sometimes it isn't even about the sex, it's the psychology
3) People that come to someones (tagged) space or fic and make those judgey asshole comments? they are assholes

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(Anonymous) 2015-01-30 04:10 am (UTC)(link)
Image: a black and white image of a woman with high heels stepping onto a man’s bare, chesty pecs.

Text: While I actually quite enjoy the wank, I will never stop being amazed by how many people have STRONG FEELINGS about other people’s erotic preferences in fandom. Especially since most of it is written porn, and even fan art doesn’t involve real people. (I can understand the argument of exploitation in live action porn.)

It just truly boggles my mind that some people will go as far as to actually contact people to tell them they’re vile, or how their taste is problematic, or whatever.

It sounds nuts to me.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-30 04:48 am (UTC)(link)
Some people actually do take their fictional fetishes into the real world, and they hurt real people because of it.

Don't believe me? Research a dude whose online name was paulandamy.
That is, it was before he was convicted and sent to prison.

Not every kink deserves respect. Some people are just sick fucks. Welcome to the real world.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-30 04:51 am (UTC)(link)
na

a link for anyone morbidly curious. Hella trigger warning though: http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/2012/04/04/paul-rhodes-hull/

(Anonymous) 2015-01-30 05:58 am (UTC)(link)
Sure and a guy who love GTA robbed a car, so video games are a danger to society.

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(Anonymous) 2015-01-30 06:23 pm (UTC)(link)
By that logic, EVERYTHING is harmful to society because there is somebody, somewhere who will take anything to the extreme and hurt themselves or others with it.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-30 09:13 pm (UTC)(link)
lol @ welcome to real world; are you thirteen?

even considering that what people gain from idealized fantasies is often very different from irl wants and the line between fantasty and irl is pretty damn clear to anyone with a functioning brain, it'd still be better to people whose nasty fantasty kinks line up 100% with their real ones to act out those on fictional portrayals than not have that option at all.

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(Anonymous) 2015-01-30 10:22 am (UTC)(link)
I agree.

And THANK you for this beautiful photo. Guh.

(Anonymous) 2015-02-02 04:08 am (UTC)(link)
Your Kink is My Kink and all that, and that's fine, but it does get gross when people are only interested in a certain thing because it's fetishization.