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[ SECRET POST #2948 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2948 ⌋

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I understand why this is secret. I'm a bi woman and I find the whole bisexual!Dean headcanon silly.

Haha, I was coming here to say this exact thing. I've not bothered watching this season, but even just 1-9 and people absolutely stuffing this bi!Dean stuff down people's throat-- I just don't see it. I don't! I don't see Dean as having even the most passing of genuine attractions to men. (Please, please don't give me the Dr. Sexy thing again. That was a joke. And a slightly tasteless one at that.)

Plus Jensen and the powers that be have been pretty damn clear that Dean is straight, the end.

And I say this as a bisexual person, yeah.

da

I've only found the anti-queer!Dean fans to be obnoxious, tbh. I'm not in fandom (though occasionally participate in casual discussions, as I used to watch the series). They seem to pop up the most on non SPN corners of the internet, ranting about how Dean is totally straight for whatever reason. I've never run into this mysterious shipper that insists Dean is gay in canon and anyone who says otherwise is a bigot or whatever.

I stopped watching many seasons ago, but I wouldn't consider a character straight unless in canon (not outside sources, be it actors or directors or writers) the character is clearly established to be completely, without any possibility for any exception ever, absolutely heterosexual. Because characters are rarely established that way, I figure any character very well could be bisexual, even just a bit, even just under the right particular circumstance (because frankly, that's realistic to a huge number of people).

More than that, who the fuck cares what is "canon" anyway? Should people only be allowed to have head!canons or interests in fic, etc. that are completely compatible with canon? I mean, that'd throw any sort of AU out the window.

So I guess I don't get the smug attitudes from the fans that seem so intent on knocking queer headcanons. (and I'm gay, since we're all sharing)

Really? 'cause I'm not in the fandom and all I ever seem to run into (without looking because again, not in the fandom), are rabid fans that insist Dean is either gay or bi and attacking anyone who says otherwise as delusional (when they're being kind) or homophobic (when not being kind)

The internet is a weird, weird place.

Must depend on one's luck, but it seems every damn time supernatural comes up anywhere (that's not SPN fandom, which I'm not in, again), it's 99% the fans with this moral outrage that anyone could ship Dean and another guy, or dare suggest that there's a possibility that he could be bi. I've literally never accidentally run into the opposite sort of fan. Dean/Castiel shippers, yes, but never anyone who has gone out of their way just to make their point about how their side is totally and unarguably correct and the other side is dumb.

Haha, oh my god, yeah, it's obvious you're not in the fandom, because for every person that thinks Dean is probably straight, there are at least ten bi!Dean fans and at least eight of them are absolutely vicious if you don't agree with their headcanon. I've had to change Tumblrs twice because I got dogpiled for assuming that they probably weren't going to make him "on-screen" bisexual-- that it's fine to think that he is, but it's really not likely at all that Destiel (or any Dean/another man pairing) is going to culminate in anything romantic on-screen.

Okay? But the anti-queer!Dean fans that I've run into are not going "I don't really see it myself", they're going "Dean is SO OBVIOUSLY STRAIGHT it's so dumb that anyone would think he could even possibly be bi" and then a large dose of condescension toward any and all fans who interpret him bi. I'm not in fandom, yet these people turn up everywhere, including this community. Any post where anyone might mention that they like to interpret Dean as bi is instantly met with several posts on how stupid and impossible that is, and don't you know this actor or this writer or whatever once said this therefore fuck your bi headcanons, or something along those lines. same with that one pairing from that werewolf show.

it's obnoxious when people knock your head!canon, whether it's straight Dean or bi Dean or anything. I sincerely doubt either side on this is more or less rabid than the other.

Yeah, I don't understand either what people are getting out of trashing queer headcanons and insisting that the character in question is straight. We... we know. That's why we call it a headcanon and not canon?

I guess I could see it being bothersome if a particular headcanon (like Bi Dean) is extremely pervasive and someone just wants to read about Straight Dean, but shit, if you need Straight Dean that badly you can just watch the show. This kind of fan clearly already feels fairly smug in their conviction that, no matter what the rabid fangirls say, he's canonically straight, so they can't be worried about being brainwashed by the SJW hivemind. From the way some people talk, you'd think that they reenact the ending of Invasion of the Body Snatchers every time they let slip that they think Dean is straight.

(And I know this is anecdata and therefore holds no water, but FWIW I get way more people reblogging my posts on Tumblr to add things like "isn't [character] straight..." when I talk about an M/M or (more frequently) F/F ship involving a character who's canonically straight or has no canonical sexuality but is assumed to be straight. YMMV depending on fandom.)

if you need Straight Dean that badly you can just watch the show.

Now that's just mean. Have you seen the show?

But the thing is, canon doesn't matter for headcanons. You don't see it/like it? Cool. People trying to make you accept their headcanons as true? Not cool. People want to think of bi Dean and not make you agree with them? Cool again.

So I have no idea why that would be "the end" - fandom is full of going off-canon.

ayrt

Oh no, sure, headcanons are fine! I have zero issues with headcanons. I'm talking specifically about the Destiel contingent that is 100% convinced that it's going to be canon, and if you express any differing opinion, they flip their shit on you.

I know it sound hyperbolic, but it really isn't.

ayrt:

Ah okay. I only hear about the crazy. I just watch it (watched, I'm way behind because of real life) and don't go on tumblr or any fandom place for it. Which seems to be a wise decision for most fandoms... I really really hate OTP tinhattery.

I think I have a very different definition of headcanon than what I see a lot of people using it as.

To me something can only be a headcanon if it isn't in direct conflict of what's actually canon.

I have no problem bending a character's sexuality for a fic, but I don't consider them being that as a headcanon. Just a 'what if' scenario.

But Dean could be bi. Pretty much any fictional character could be bi. It doesn't clash with anything within the show. I'm not sure what word of god has said but I don't generally consider anything outside of the actual narrative to be canon anyway

I've...never heard your definition of headcanon before. Seems to be very limited.

NAYRT, but this was the only definition of headcanon I'd ever heard of until a couple of years ago, with the caveat that "canon" means "stuff that's actually happened in the series," not interviews, creator meta, etc. People used it to fill in backstories, or explain inconsistencies in canon, and they had supporting arguments and everything. I suppose it was limited in that you had to keep your headcanons within the realms of plausibility, but it also required you to be creative enough to either make your headcanon work within the facts you'd been given or stick to AUs.

With that said, it's not like the show is ever going to go out of their way to prove that Dean is absolutely, 100% not bi at all, because that would be dumb.

da

That's how I'd personally describe headcanon, too. Something that fills in the blanks. It can be far out, or based on nothing, it just shouldn't contradict with the existing canon (being the series)

So a bisexual head!canon of Dean is plausible, but a completely gay Dean isn't a very good canon. Unless you were to argue that every instance of him being with a girl is a straight act, or something, but that seems pretty weak anyway.

Though in the end I suppose what's "canon" to you is really just up to you. If it's your experience and enjoyment of the series, it's your imagination, go wild. I just don't really think the word "canon" really describes that well, but hey, it's your entertainment.

I don't think Dean is gay, but to be fair there are gay people who realize that they're gay after years of dating and sleeping with the opposite gender and thinking that they were straight.

What's funny about the Dr. Sexy thing, is that the actor looked a lot like Sam. I guess that makes Wincest canon.

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