[ SECRET POST #366 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #366 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE MSPAINT USE A BACKGROUND COLOR, PLEAAAASE

Secrets Left to Post: 11 pages, 252 secrets from Secret Submission Post #053.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 ] broken links, [ 1 2 ] not!secrets, 0 not!fandom.
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Monday, January 7th, 2008.
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[ex-wut78.livejournal.com]

...Holy shit I cannot read half of these.

25. OH NO LOOK I'M USING A FANART ICON

Lol, I dont post my artwork online, but if I ever did and someone made an icon out of it, I'd be flattered.

Also, not that this justifies anything, but most of the fanart I see used in icons is from japanese artists who will probably never see that their art is being used.

31. Seconded

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[tealizard.livejournal.com]

"but most of the fanart I see used in icons is from japanese artists who will probably never see that their art is being used."

.... *sigh* ah yeah. You just don't get it do you. Not seeing it =/= not being hurt by it.

[ex-wut78.livejournal.com]

Um? How exactly is this hurting them? It's not like they're making money off of their artwork.

[tealizard.livejournal.com]

Ahahahahah AHAHA. dude. Most ppl who do a bit of fanart DO make money off of it, or their other artwork. Someone like ah, Makani, who is big in HP fandom, does artwork of HP characters AND ocs as commissions. saying 'they arent making money off their fanart' is like saying ppl who write doujin's aren't making money. Riiight.

[(Anonymous)]

I see your point, but you're continuing to represent yourself incoherently. Stop before someone gets hurt, like you.

[tealizard.livejournal.com]

mmh, poor anon, bein butthurt. Like seriously wtf dude. what is incoherant about that honestly -_-

[(Anonymous)]

The fact that you can't string a sentence together to make sense really hurts your honesty. Maybe if you take more than five seconds to bang out an angry response like a monkey with your thumb up your ass people would be more willing to listen.

[ex-wut78.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, I'm really not. Most artists dont post full doujinshi online, they may show a preview but I have yet to see a full thing. When people buy their doujinshi, it's their's to scan and share. So yes, the original artist has made money.

These are just icons we're talking about. Making a little 100x100 square, cropping out a lot of details(resizing causes a loss of detail also) is hardly damaging. Hell, after most icons are done, they barely look like their original picture. So tell me again, how is this hurting the artist?

[tealizard.livejournal.com]

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"When people buy their doujinshi, it's their's to scan and share."

Um. Let me teach you about this thing called COPYRIGHT.

"Hell, after most icons are done, they barely look like their original picture. So tell me again, how is this hurting the artist?"

Um. have you ever heard of this thing called not altering artwork that does not belong to you? unless you have direct permission to do so, it's illegal.

[(Anonymous)]

Why do you care so much, anyway? Don't you have something better to do?

[ex-wut78.livejournal.com]

Yes, because COPYRIGHT will totally get you very far with fan made works

[xenoglossy]

... Look, I see what you're saying, but I really think it's disingenuous to try to drag legal issues into this, seeing as fandom is one huge legal grey area to begin with. I'm not a lawyer, but I really don't think that copyright applies to derivative works, and... well, like I said, all of fandom is sort of dubious, legally. You could never bring a case to a lawyer saying "this person made icons of my fanart without asking!" At best you'd be laughed at, and at worst you might get in trouble yourself.

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

Uh huh. They make money off it by doing commissions, you're right, but exactly HOW does redistribution hurt their commissioned work and the money they already made from it?

You are just lol all over the place.

[tealizard.livejournal.com]

It hurts them by not redirecting to the original artist if say, ppl want money from it, and often times the commissioners do not want it to be distributed.

[ormery.livejournal.com]

People who write doujinshi generally aren't making money, though. Most of them only sell their doujinshi for enough to cover the cost of making the book and attending the events where they sell them. That's why they can get away with it legally – because it's generally accepted that doujinshi represent no financial threat to the publishers and authors of the manga they're based on.

[downburst.livejournal.com]

25. FUCKING SIGNED + ALSO POSTING WITH FANART ICON OH NOES

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[warpuff.livejournal.com]

WERD HOMESLICE.

*uses fanart icon*

[teostra.livejournal.com]

FANART ICON GIVES YOU A HUG.

[ambiance.livejournal.com]

in ur shitstorm, usin a fanart icon.

[(Anonymous)]

Actually, Japanese artists have left the online world because they've seen people using their art in icons.

So all that beautiful art can't be enjoyed anymore because of douchebags like you. Thanks.

[downburst.livejournal.com]

And nothing of value was lost.

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

Oh no! Now I'll be forced to have Western artists cater to my Western sensibilities, instead of girly men and lame jokes!

I'm so sad :'(

[ex-wut78.livejournal.com]

Great, so now I'm a douchebag?

[haruhiism.livejournal.com]

Haven't you heard? It's YOUR fault that fanartists don't want to post their work online anymore. ALL YOUR PERSONAL FAULT.

Meaning where the shit is this argument going anymore.

[ormery.livejournal.com]

Uh, no, the artists in question are douchebags for taking their stuff down because people weren't going out of their way to give their websites as much attention as possible.