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what about them Extreme Rules stipulations, huh?

Gonna post below

I can barely contain ~~my tears~~ myself. (This cast is fucking ridiculous. I will miss them so much.)

I fucking loved it. It was everything I didn't know I wanted; pure perfection. I'm infinitely grateful that this last episode wasn't full of blood and death, and instead focused on character development and emotional resonance.

I know some will feel differently, but I was so, so glad that none of the major players died. (Which is ironic considering the shows recurring use of "You'll never leave Harlan alive".) I've always suspected that Raylan and Boyd would die, either working together one last time or facing off one last time. They would have a moment before they die, acknowledging their strange friendship and/or possible regret that it had to end this way, and that would be that. (While that would've been believable and in character, it also would've been predictable and I think somewhat disappointing.)

But the ending we did get was absolutely beautiful. Boyd got arrested (again), turned back to his faith, trying to once again gather a 'flock' (this made me laugh, because as Raylan said, "You're repeating yourself"; the thing is, you can tell Boyd loves it), Raylan moved, helped raise his daughter, is a (less angry) functional human being but still no good with romantic relationships, and Ava finally, finally got out of Harlan, and gets to live peacefully. All she wanted this season was to stay out of jail, leave Harlan, start over and live a peaceful existence, and that's exactly what she did.

And they're all (reasonably) happy! Ava is raising her kid away from the influence of Boyd (because let's face it, as awesome as Boyd is, he's not the best role model. Ava hasn't always been either, but she's trying to change. It does sadden me that Boyd will most likely never know his child or realize that Ava did indeed 'get out', but at the same time I understand this decision), Boyd is in his element, using that silver tongue of his to gain followers and influence people, adoring the attention, and Raylan doesn't cross that final line (shooting Boyd) but gets his chance to live, away from the place (and people) that caused him so much grief.

Instead of everything ending dramatically, life just went on.

And in that scene between Boyd and Raylan, despite the fact that Boyd is heartbroken (over Ava) and beaten down (it killed me to see him goading Raylan on, lying about getting out of jail and killing him so Raylan would finish the job; I think he had fallen so low at that point that death seemed like the only option, but Boyd is above all a fighter, and I have no doubt he'll make things work, in or out of jail), he keeps on (genuinely) smiling, enjoying Raylan's company and pushing him to talk about his ~feelings~. ("Raylan Givens, I know you have never believed a word that has come out of my mouth, though I have harbored a secret hope that you never the less enjoyed them", plus "After all these long years Raylan Givens, that's the only reason?") I know Boyd and Raylan both have plenty of amazing solo moments, but they're never better than when they're together. There couldn't have been a more fitting and meaningful last line than "We dug coal together."

If you can't already tell, I was SO impressed by this episode, and am delighted that the show went out so strongly. As of right now, I think this is my favorite series finale ever.

I've never heard of this show before, but this post and a bit of browsing now makes me want to.

It is so, SO good. I'm sad that this (spoiler filled comment about the finale, lol) is the first you've heard of it, but I'm used to it by now. I've been watching this show from the very beginning and almost never come across people who know it. It's critically acclaimed with good reason, but sometimes I'm surprised it made it so long (six seasons) since I can never find anyone to talk about it with.

The thing about Justified is it has some of the best damn writing I've ever seen (every word that comes out of Boyd's mouth is gold, but half the cast have quote worthy lines on a regular basis) and a wonderfully talented cast. (Plus, Olyphant is smokin hot.) The writing is solid all the way through; it never gets bad, though as expected, some periods are better than others. It's very character driven and has (what is possibly) the most charismatic antagonist I've ever seen. (Not in all my years have I ever come across someone who dislikes Boyd. Never. Even when he's shooting people in the face, somehow he stays likable. I think it's one part good writing, one part Walton Goggins being an acting god.)

I highly recommend it! It is a bit on the long side (78 episodes), but imo it is worth every moment.

I'm up for any Tolkien talk. Anything that's on your mind.

For a specific, I just found a blog trying to rewrite the Hobbit movies to make them "work". How would you change the movies to make them work for you?

Everybody survives! I'd be happy with ambivalent ending. I'd also like to see small Frodo. And less fighting more talking in general. Oh, and the armies where only the leaders have riding animals - one for each - seems wildly unrealistic.

I'd keep Tauriel but take out the romantic stuff (or at least the Legolas jealousy) and the love speech.

I'd expand the Dol Goldur scene in the final movie. Too short.

I wouldn't feel the need to have Azog as a central villain. I didn't mind his character, but you don't need that sort of personal villain in Tolkien. LOTR didn't have it except sort of Saruman. So I'd just have him for the first movie then not bring him back.

I'd give a bit more character to the other dwarves.

I'd put in more Dain and make it clear that he's the king now that Thorin is dead (though maybe that's in the extended)

The Dain-thing better be in the EE. It's criminal how many crucial storylines were not wrapped up in the last movie.

I agree about Dol Guldur, though I would've done it completely differently (no Galadriel falling down or going wraith, etc.).

If Tauriel were done differently, I would keep her in. She should either be Thranduil's daughter (so, young, spoiled, good-hearted but not someone in power - I swear the way she was in the movie only makes sense if she's his daughter and earned her position through nepotism) or a competent captain whose concern is for her king's well being. Actually, if she was the most racist elf in the entire movie (and only deviated a little or not at all by the end of her arc), I think her character would've been a 100 times more interesting.

I'd take Tauriel out. To replace her as a female role, I'd include Bard's wife. If they want a romance, she could be Bard's love interest and not yet wife during the time of the movies (though I do love the Bardlings, so I'd be happy if she was already his wife). I would make her strong and capable but not a warrior.

I would put Bard back to being a guardsman. I would show him as a capable leader already, someone who already showed ambition and the ability to be a king.

I would make time be the antagonist for the movies (they have to reach Erebor before Durin's day), rather than Azog or Bolg. Or, I would keep Bolg but play up the fact that Dain or Thorin killed his dad so it's personal (but I wouldn't necessarily have him hunting the group the entire time). I would have them go back to speaking common tongue (the way the orcs in LOTR did) and be played by actors and not CGI.

I would make Elrond like he is in the book: awesome and nice.

I would tone down all the racism. There is some inherent racism in the books but it is ridiculous how much of a crutch PJ uses it as. And I would make Thorin more xenophobic to everyone who is not a dwarf, Bilbo included. Gandalf would make clear right away that he's not going to go all the way to the mountain with this group (instead of that weird thing at the gates of Mirkwood).

I would take out Alfrid and play up the Master's role. He would be shrewd and calculating: a real politician and not a bloated mess.

I would make Legolas more innocent than he was in LOTR. He was a little cool towards Gimli in FOTR but I never got the sort of antagonism and dickishness he was showing in the Hobbit movies. His role would be a cameo only. Any over-the-top stunts you want to include, you can give them to Thranduil. (Any maybe Bilbo can watch a father-son moment between the two while he's hanging around the Elves' home. I need a hug, okay.)

Thranduil is not a dick. I would show him as a wise, calculating king but also kind to Bard. I would show the scene where Thorin and company exasperate him into locking them up but otherwise, he would be the only truly calm voice in the room. And he would listen to and respect Gandalf.

I would do something worthwhile with Dol Guldur. There would be no Nazgul (so their appearance in LOTR is a surprise). I would include Celeborn, Haldir, Glorfindel, and more of the White Council. Saurman would take a more active role in banishing Sauron (showing he was a good guy so his turn is more unexpected in LOTR). Elrond would be a healer and not a fighter. Galadriel would fight with a sword (since she does in the Silmarillion) and none of that crappy wraith shit they keep doing to her.

I would absolutely have Kili and Fili die defending Thorin. I would have more Beorn. I would change the battle so that it was actually elves, dwarves, and men fighting alongside each other and not segmented out in Dale. I would give the battle stakes and not abandon it to follow Thorin's side-quest like the main battle didn't matter.

I would completely remove the dwarf-chase sequence in the mountain with Smaug. I would have Smaug attack them from outside the mountain like in the book because that was a really cool part for me.

I would remove the gold-sickness as a mental illness analogy and turn it back to being simple greed like in the book.

I would include Dori carrying Bilbo (because I need that in my life). I would turn the goblin-town into more tunnels than an open space. I would give Bilbo more screentime to show his character growth each movie (he didn't really move anywhere after the first movie).

I'm sure there's more but those are some of the basics.

How's about them rehashed demon orcs, huh?

I really haven't been happy with the turn for WoD...the Draenei still feel freakin' shafted, there really hasn't been a whole lot with Yrel, Thrall needs to STEP THE FUCK OFF (and so do the orcs for that matter), it's been boring as shit playing here recently. I got tired of the raids early and the dungeons had no replay value and you're stuck in your garrison for the most part.

I actually LIKED the dailies from MoP, especially those that unlocked more and more story points, like Shield Wall and the Shado-Pan.

I just....got really disenfranchised. My fiance was even worse off than me cause he's been playing far longer than I have.

And why in the HELL is it Archimonde? Why isn't it Kiljaden? I thought Kiljaden wanted to see the Draenei DESTROYED is this AU making it Archimonde as the one who felt slighted?

ugh

We always need more orcs. ALWAYS.

I'm not surprised though tbh, I was expecting demons to be making an appearance with Gul'Dan at some point during this expansion, but then I wanted a raid dedicated solely to the Skeksies and Arrakoa but well that was never on the table(buuuut I waaaaaaant iiiiit).

I do like the models though, I love the fel dread-raven, that looks cool as shit and I want it.

But yeah the Draenei get jack-shit which is annoying as crap. Yeah the demons want to make the pact with Grommash and his Iron Horde but they also have been chasing the Draenei around for yonks, you'd think that would come up somewhere? But nope, only orcs matter.

I do like BRF though that being said, the fights are fun and well I guess I'm enjoying lewts as well. But with all this I'm honestly expecting Grommash to ditch the Iron Horde and join our current Horde so that Horde get one of their old heroes while the Alliance gets... nothing again. I mean I'd take Yrel but I don't want our Velen to be gone for that.

Ahh the dungeons, the thing is once I got all the gear I needed for them I no longer felt any desire to go back in. At least with the JP system I'd grind out dungeons so I could use the JP's to buy old mog gear, especially the PvP stuff, but now if I want that I'd have to actually PvP. Bleh.

Ugh the dailies(ha, you mean DAILY) in this expansion are rubbish, I'll go on record saying that. Thing is the amount we had at the beninning of MoP was pretty extreme, but by the end of it they had gotten it down nicely and I liked it like that, rep grinding didn't feel half as bad then either, whereas rep grinding atm? Good fucking lord shoot me. I hate it. I've only just gotten exhalted with the Arrakoa outcasts and I've still got two more sodding factions to go.

I'm still enjoying myself because I like this dumb game but yeeesh some of their decisions this expac have not been great.

I am a pretty casual player these days, so I am really enjoying this expansion. I don't feel the need to always do dailies (my poor alts have shitty garrisons).

I stopped playing in Cataclysm so I don't really have any way to compare to MoP. And while I enjoy the lore, I am not super into it. I'll forever by missing Wrath. ;_;

I was surprised at Archimonde, true, but if WoD is truly leading directly into the next xpac (and if they're aiming for a very short dev cycle) then a Burning Legion xpac wth Kil'jaeden as the major major Big Bad would... well, it would make me very happy.

(Fighting AU!Archimonde in Hellfire Peninsula (instead of Nordrassil) has some interesting implications. What if it means that Gul'dan keeps his skull, that AU!Ilidan never demonizes? What if AU!Kel'Thuzad never makes the Scourge? AU!Arthas never lichifies? AU!Kael stays quel'dorei instead of sin'dorei?)

I swear, if they don't ever do anything with Yrel's sigil (you know the one I mean) I will grumble eternally.

I'm really conflicted about Eddie and Iris and Barry's secret.

One one hand, I hate that Iris is the only one who doesn't know and that everybody is treating her like a child, Eddie being the only one who shows any indication that he would be in favor of including her.

On the other hand, Barry's secret isn't his to tell. I wish THAT's what he would have told Iris (without mentioning Barry's name of course).

I'm behind on this series so I haven't gotten to that yet. But I did have a similar situation earlier on when Barry (as Flash) was trying to tell Iris not to keep looking into the Flash. She kept saying that the world had a right to know and not once did he say "Well, you know this could endanger me, right?"

I mean it felt in character because I don't think Barry actually wanted her to stop, since he finally had her attention the way he wanted it. But, it really bugged me.

So, how are you liking the series? And Iris? I liked her initially but cooled to her with how she reacted to Linda. But, like I said, I'm a little behind right now.

Still a little bummed that Harrison Wells is definitely the bad dude. I love him and wanted him to be more nuanced than that. (Those are the right spoilers, right?)

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