[ SECRET POST #3027 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3027 ⌋

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[fscom]

08. http://i.imgur.com/w6EhUT1.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

Wow. WOW.

I cannot BELIEVE there's another person so like me out there. I never thought I'd see the day when there was a fandom secret about the gothic alphabet! I mean I literally never even thought about it before, that's how far-fetched it would have seemed even a month ago.

I've always loved Þ.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

I like occasionally comparing Gothic to Old English just to see how similar and different they are. :P

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

I had a seminar once about the origins of english and we covered all exinct side branches of the whole germanic family. I fell in love with Þ, too. ("ye olde" being a misrepresentation of Þe olde! mind blown!)
I also considered learning gothic, back then.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

I've got a book on the language now, and am trying to study it. Old English ought to ba doddle after that, considering the verb tense and noun declension structure got radically simplified by the time OE got written down.

[sarillia]

I should add that to my list of alphabets and syllabaries to learn. I've been neglecting them lately.

[sapphireblack]

I've always liked Old English, but am not good enough at languages to learn it properly.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Just for funsies :P

Old English:
On herodes dagum iudea cynincges. Wæs sum sacerd on naman zacharias of abian tune. and his wif wæs of aarones dohtrum. and hyre nama wæs elizabeþ;

Gothic:
Was in dagam Herodes þiudanis Iudaias gudja namin Zakarias, us afar Abijins, jah qeins is us dauhtrum Aharons, jah namo izos Aileisabaiþ.

They both are the text of Luke 5:1, which is in modern English along the lines of this:
"In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; his wife Elizabeth was also a descendant of Aaron."

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Oops, 1:5!

[(Anonymous)]

Gothic formal script was used later medieval, so it'd be somewhat closer to Middle English, not Old. :) Though most manuscripts you'd find would be in Latin anyway haha

[skeletal_history]

Well, I just learned something....that looks like it's an early form of Cyrillic.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Actually, Bishop Wufilas based it on the Greek Alphabet, so it's not quite Cyrillic, but it's kind of a cousin to Cyrillic because Cyrillic itself is also based on Greek.

Re: OP

[skeletal_history]

Now I learned a second thing! Thanks, OP! :)

[intrigueing]

This would work in Harry Potter Founders-era or pre-Founders era fic so well...I think?

[(Anonymous)]

You know, I've never seen fic in that era, but it sounds like an awesome idea. Especially with the alphabet.

OP's plot bunny, freely given

[(Anonymous)]

It isn't out of the bounds of possibility for a Gothic-speaker to have travelled to England, and introduced their alphabet as an alternative to using runes for magic-casting. I believe the Gothic letters could double as numbers if written a certain way, so there's that numerological significance to them too.

Re: OP's plot bunny, freely given

[diet_poison]

that sounds like such a cool premise.

for that matter, is there a lot of fic on wizarding history in HP-verse? that sounds like such a fun thing to explore

[(Anonymous)]

Be careful what you wish for. There's a piece of MCU fanart that's burned into my brain because the person tried to use runes, and...well...

I'm pretty sure what they wanted to write was "he who wields this hammer commands the lightning and the storm." What they actually wrote was "he woh wields thhis hfmmeo commfngds thhe llghthngingg fngd thhe sthorm."

So I agree it'd be cool if someone used the Gothic alphabet in fic or art, but I don't have much faith it'd be used well or be correct.

[(Anonymous)]

Let me try to figure out what happened there:

[hagalaz, ehwaz] (h,e) [wunjo, othila, hagalaz] (w,o,h) [wunjo, isaz, ehwaz, laguz, dagaz, sowilo] (w,i,e,l,d,s) [thurisaz, hagalaz, isaz, sowilo] (th,h,i,s) [hagalaz, fehu, mannaz, mannaz, ehwaz, othila] (h,f,m,m,e,o) [kenaz, othila, mannaz, mannaz, fehu, ingwaz, dagaz, sowilo] (c,o,m,m,f,ng,d,s) [thurisaz, hagalaz, ehwaz] (th,h,e) [laguz, laguz, gebo, hagalaz, thurisaz, ingwaz, isaz, ingwaz, gebo] (l,l,g,h,th,ng,i,ng,g) [fehu, ingwaz, daguz] (f,ng,d) [thurisaz, hagalaz, ehwaz] (th,h,e) [sowilo, thurisaz, othila, raidho, mannaz] (s,th,o,r,m)*

So basically their most regular mistake was not realising several runes are actually digraphs using latin script (using 'th' thurisaz instead of 't' tiwaz and 'ng' ingwaz instead of 'n' nauthiz). They also confused 'f' fehu for 'a' ansuz, though to be fair those two runes are visually quite similar. They then seem to have just randomly reversed the letter order once (hwo), and I'm not quite sure what happened with the double 'l' in lightning, or why they appeared to confuse 'o' othila for 'r' raido in hammer but got it right in storm, but those could just be typos I suppose. Or rushing the job through at the end.

It's actually not that bad an attempt for someone who didn't know what they were doing. Their major mistakes are confusing two similar-looking runes for each other, and not understanding the letter-to-digraph thing across the two scripts. Those maybe aren't terrible sins for a beginner doing something for a hobby.

Mind you, you can look up the entire alphabet on wikipedia, which does make them somewhat less forgivable.

* Using the elder futhark, and my spellings for the names might be off in places because I've seen multiple versions.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

To be fair, the Gothic Alphabet (particularly the form used on Wiktionary) looks more like the Latin one so it'd be harder to screw up the letters like you and the DA who replied to you noted.

Transcript

[(Anonymous)]

Image: the Gothic alphabet

Text: I would love to see someone use the Gothic alphabet in a fanfic in some way.

[(Anonymous)]

Where'd you get that Gothic alphabet from? Just wondering because it doesn't really look like Gothic I've seen. Gothic, at least formal script is usually really recognizable by its use of minims. These are all Capitals, which aren't distinctly Gothic, just decorative letters used (sometimes) at the beginning of sentences). When I think gothic I think something that looks like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackletter#/media/File:Calligraphy.malmesbury.bible.arp.jpg .... this example isn't the worst but Gothic is often so scrunched together and all the letters look really similar (most of them minim-based) and it can be really touch to read.

[(Anonymous)]

SA Ooh I was thinking Gothic formal script (which inspires all the somewhat-derived fonts especially at Christmas), it seems you were referring to something else?

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, OP is referring to the alphabet used by people speaking the Gothic language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_language). The Gothic script you meant is a development of the later Middle Ages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackletter).