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[ SECRET POST #3030 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3030 ⌋

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Got a link to the original secret, by any chance? Yeah, Wright sounds like a major asshole with a superiority complex. Only someone with no shame whatsoever would engineer AND accept all those Hugo nominations and then pretend they're legitimate nominations earned through his work.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa, hold up, I thought the Hugos/SFWA were hella strict on logrolling...you mean this dude actually got away with it????

oohhhhhhh boy

so I take it you haven't paid attention whatsoever to the Hugos or SFWA or science fiction fandom in genreal in the last... month or so, then

AYRT

Nope...I saw one (1) article on Teleread about it, but I didn't really follow up, other than figuring out what people were talking about when they were referencing Sad Puppies/Rabid Puppies. I do recall in the early aughts, hearing all kinds of complaining from pros and semi-pros about how logrolling was way frowned on, they just couldn't do it, they would be disqualified, etc. But that was (wow I'm old) well over a decade ago.

What happened, anon? Telllll meeeeeeeee....

Logrolling on a massive scale by moderate conservatives (sad puppies) and extreme to the point of insanity conservatives (rabid puppies) lead to writers and nominees from those slates dominating most of the Hugo nominations.

I'm sure you can fill in the details on most of the rest of the controversy on your own if you have any familiarity with Internet SF fandom slapfighting.

WOW. And what has SFWA had to say about all of this? Bear in mind I gafiated from Internet SFF fandom when RaceFail '09 hit the fan. (Or I should say I gafiated because RaceFail '09 hit the fan.)

Six nominations in one year, a new record. He didn't "engineer it," strictly speaking--the campaign was organized by Vox Day, that guy who got kicked out of the SFWA after using the official Twitter to spew racist insults at a black writer. There was also a campaign by Brad Torgersen and Larry Correia, which competed with them/inspired them/invited them to help game the system, depending on who you believe. George R.R. Martin has been writing a lot about it on his blog.

Oh, and original secret: http://fandomsecrets.dreamwidth.org/923340.html?thread=703058892#cmt703058892

tyvm looks like I've got a trainwreck to catch up on lulz

AYRT

So, question: Has SFWA now withdrawn all the nominations/nominees completely? Or is it too close to WorldCon to do that now?

Apparently, this was within the rules: http://whatever.scalzi.com/2015/04/04/a-note-about-the-hugo-nominations-this-year/

One person refused the nomination, and three withdrew after being nominated. A fourth is attempting to withdraw, but it's past the deadline to do so. There's also a pretty big campaign to vote No Award in the impacted categories.

AYRT thanks for the info.

That's a bit of relief; hopefully the campaign succeeds. This "Vox Day" character (Or is this a sock of the Wright guy??) did pretty much the one thing that's not supposed to be done when it comes to the Hugos. Regardless if there's a loophole or not. I certainly don't trust Scalzi's word that there is, or that logrolling was somehow within the rules.

After reading the other thread (again) I'm the nonnie who commented, "The '80s called they want Niven and Pournelle's love-child back" the first time this came up LOL.

Vox Day is the pseudonym of Theodore Beale.

man Vox Day is so much worse than that

He's basically a fundamentalist anti-woman nrx bigot who, from his actions, seems like he would be pretty okay with destroying the SFWA as a whole because it's too leftist and 'cultural marxist'

In fairness to him, he's not the only one who organized the logrolling. Otoh, the fact that the other organizers essentially brought him in, and talked about how he's a 'gentleman', and AFAIK are still making excuses for him (correct me if I'm wrong on that) is one of the things that personally infuriates me most about the whole situation.

I think they said something about how Vox Day got in trouble for saying racist things out of frustration at someone who'd been saying racist things for years. I'm not exactly an expert on N.K. Jemisin's work, but I don't recall her ever saying shit as awful as the stuff Vox Day has said. (They're finally trying to back away from him, but all the stuff they're deleting is still Google cached.)

That line would hold a lot more weight with me if Vox Day wasn't ESSENTIALLY A FUCKING WHITE SUPREMACIST JESUS CHRIST

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(Anonymous) - 2015-04-22 03:03 (UTC) - Expand

He also regrets not punching Terry Pratchett in the face for talking about right to die. Literally, regrets not "striking him down."

Has SFWA now withdrawn all the nominations/nominees completely?

Quick clarifying note: WSFS (World Science Fiction Society) is the organization responsible for the Hugos and Worldcon; SFWA does the Nebulas.

My SO: You know what he should be writing...

*rimshot*

Is Vox Day...that Vox? :S

I'm not sure how you know him, but he's probably the Vox you're thinking of. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Theodore_Beale

yuuuuup. That's him.

Oh man, you have to google the whole Sad Puppies/Rabid Puppies wank, it's glorious. Basically, each group came up with their own slate of writers they felt were deserving of a Hugo nomination but had somehow been ignored even though the Hugos are done by popular vote. There was/is a strong agenda of "let's get back at the SJWs!" and "let's nominate 'real' sci-fi like in the good old days!" with Larry Correia convinced that the only reason he lost a Hugo was because he was a religious conservative and not because people voted for a book they liked better than his.

The Sad Puppies claim to be reasonable and not crazy bigots, but they pretty much owe their momentum to the Rabid Puppies, helmed by Theodore Beale aka Vox Day, a crazy racist bigot who thinks women shouldn't have the vote. Beale actually invited GamerGate types to buy WorldCon memberships and vote in his slate picks, and apparently enough of them did. John C. Wright in particular made out like a bandit.

It's not settled yet, it just got them on the ballot. The vote has yet to go down and lots of fans are very angry they've gamed the system this way.

Beale actually invited GamerGate types to buy WorldCon memberships and vote in his slate picks, and apparently enough of them did.

Beale wasn't the only one to reach out to Gamergate; Larry Correia did, as well. https://twitter.com/avram/status/585217911431761921

To be fair, Wright didn't organize the Sad or Rabid Puppies, that was Torgersen and Vox Day.

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