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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-04-24 06:53 pm

[ SECRET POST #3033 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3033 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Kushiel's Legacy]


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[The Young Sherlock Holmes]


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[Blake's 7]


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[Doc Martin]


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07. http://i.imgur.com/XWQxPJy.jpg?2
[linked for close up shot of naked butt]


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[Disney]


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[Phantom of the Opera/Twilight]


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[Captain America]


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[Spec Ops: The Line]


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13. [SPOILERS for Final Fantasy XIV - A Realm Reborn]



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14. [SPOILERS for Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Episode VII)]



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15. [WARNING for incest]

[Folgers Coffee Commercial]


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16. [WARNING for suicide, emotional abuse]



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17. [WARNING for suicide]



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18. [WARNING for abusive parenting, domestic abuse]




















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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

(Anonymous) 2015-04-24 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
How is it racist? I mean, I totally understand how it's COMPLETELY historically inaccurate, but it doesn't seem particularly racist.

Unless you mean the "noble savage" trope? Which, I guess the Native Americans were portrayed as more in tune with nature, but I thought they were given a wide range of personalities.

It just doesn't seem particularly prejudiced one way or the other.
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[personal profile] mekkio 2015-04-24 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
The noble savage trope is indeed strong in the movie. Not to mention the "magical savage" trope. Seriously, a grandmother tree? That always makes me wince.

(Anonymous) 2015-04-24 11:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm really confused about the 'noble savage' trope in regards to Pocahontas. It's racist because Pocahontas is a hero? Is in tune with nature and learns how to be in tune with people, too? I don't get it. All Disney princesses are Mary Sues to some extent.

I also can't say about the grandmother tree, but aren't tree spirits and such prevalent in Native American folklore? I get what you mean if you're pointing out that the magic only happens on the side of the Natives, but to be fair, the movie is really nature focused, and the white settlers are basically just interested in digging up and destroying it.

(Anonymous) 2015-04-25 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
*sigh* You don't get it.

"Why is it so bad that black people are portrayed as liking fried chicken and being all spiritual? Isn't fried chicken delicious? Isn't being spiritual nice, and 'Swing Low, Sweet Chariot' is a beautiful hymn."

(Anonymous) 2015-04-25 01:27 am (UTC)(link)
DA: No they are not the same and my native ass is going to smack yours for going there.

(Anonymous) 2015-04-25 03:07 am (UTC)(link)
Okay. Not sure why you're insulted, but I guess you're entitled to make physical threats against someone you disagree with on the internet. It's a free country. They're asking why the "noble savage" trope is racist when it seems, in their view, to embody positive things like being in touch with nature. I tried to explain why the seemingly positive aspects don't make it not racist.

(Anonymous) 2015-04-25 01:29 am (UTC)(link)
NAYRT. Thanks for the non-explanation.

(Anonymous) 2015-04-25 02:26 am (UTC)(link)
Really. Anon just asked a question. There was no need to be snarky. :/

(Anonymous) 2015-04-25 08:01 am (UTC)(link)
No I don't get it, so explain? An overused trope is not the same as racist. And her portrayal wasn't exactly arbitrary to the themes of the movie. And there is a full cast of other Native characters who are not portrayed as she is.
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[personal profile] iceyred 2015-04-24 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
The tree wasn't so bad. Pocahontas being preachy and sanctimonious as fuck was bad. In the real world that would be a believable flaw she would have to work to get over. In the movie-land it was not presented as a flaw.

Also the Native Americans weren't really great environmentalists.

http://smithsonianscience.org/2011/05/native-americans-were-changing-environment-in-north-america-long-before-european-settlers-arrived/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_use_of_fire

John Smith was pretty generic. I always thought the minor characters were more believable and interesting.

(Anonymous) 2015-04-25 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
You are such a Republican.

But yeah, the Indians weren't perfect. That said, the English land use ended up being far less sustainable for various reasons.

So it's understandable that the Indians were romanticized as more Green. To a fair degree, they were, because their ancestors had gotten through their disasters and settled on a sustainable program long before.

(Anonymous) 2015-04-25 03:52 am (UTC)(link)
I think it's worst crime is taking something that was a true event and erasing it by using some white guy's romatizied version where the invaders weren't that bad.