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[ SECRET POST #3133 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3133 ⌋

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[The Guild]

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[Harvest Moon: (More) Friends of Mineral Town]

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[Gump, from Legend]

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(Agent Carter)

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[Jeeves and Wooster]

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[Lupin III]

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[Courtney Love & Kurt Cobain]

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[Kasumi Goto, Mass Effect]

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A bit more blunt than what I would say, but yes. In the early days of the war on terror and the blunder in Afghanistan and Iraq it was fine to say support the troops not the mission, but now everyone that joined the military pre-BushW has aged out of their enlistment terms, and is there because they are actively wanting to be a part of the current blunders. I can safely say that I now support neither the mission nor the troops.

The current cohort are there because they are fully onboard with the idea of covert torture, intentional collateral damage, and illegal engagements. That isn't something anyone should support, and anyone who signs up knowing that they are going to be doing that ought to be treated as being on the same level of criminal as the kiddy fiddlers and rapists.

"The current cohort are there because they are fully onboard with the idea of covert torture, intentional collateral damage, and illegal engagements."

You don't know anyone in the military, do you?

Actually yes, and frankly I am glad they are overseas. I feel sorry for the people around them, because the guys I know that joined up are horrible, horrible people, but I'd rather have them over there than over here.

They are certainly onboard with participating in giving the ragheads and the "ay-rabs" a good beating and they do not give a single shit about military ethics. They knew they were joining a military that killed innocents and civilians, and not only did they not care, they liked it. Support the troops? Why, they knowingly joined a military which has thrown away the rulebook. I support neither the mission, nor the troops that have knowingly signed up to perpetuate it. I don't see why I should either.

So you're generalizing the motivations of a couple of assholes you know to hundreds of thousands of people?

nayrt

Really. You think there's only 2 assholes in the whole of the military? That's so cute.

I just find it somewhat hypocritical to say "there are assholes in the military, therefore all people in the military are evil."

Because you know what? That's probably the same logic those assholes use:

"These fucking Ay-rubs attacked us. Let's kill the fuckers -- they're all evil! They all believe in a religion of EVIL and deserve to die!"

ayrt

Well, there's something to be said about an organization that attracts people who get off on killing. It's not like we're mobilizing petting zoo employees to take out ISIS. Military NEEDS and WANTS the bloodthirsty, pissed off, self-righteous people that they can send to do the dirty work without question.

That's like saying because jihad is a concept in Islam that all of its followers are bloodthirsty killers looking to destroy infidels.

Um...no. Religious war IS a thing in Islam but it's hardly the entirety of it.

Focusing on the worst elements of something and then generalizing it to the whole are how people justify hating a group of people.

Kind of a fail analogy. Islam as a whole is a group of people from which smaller extremist groups may form, much like America is a group of people from which smaller military groups form. These groups have their own specific rules that they follow that people in the larger surrounding groups generally do not.

Your analogy also works in the military...

"the military is a group of people from which smaller groups form" -- you know like the Army vs the Air Force vs the Navy. Or there's medics. Or special forces. Or translators. There's LOTS of ways you can subdivide the military and they often have specific rules and codes.

Again, it's like using ISIS and the actions of the September 11th terrorists to hate on Muslims.

*whoooosh*

It's funny how you don't see how similar you are to the people you hate, I quite agree.

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(Anonymous) - 2015-08-02 22:06 (UTC) - Expand

I don't support the mission of ISIS and AQ, nor do I support those who knowingly joined up with ISIS and AQ knowing their mission. Same with the military.

Because "the military" = people who all believe exactly the same thing and want to kill Ay-rubs instead of a wide variety of people who have a huge range of beliefs and reasons for their service?

But, yes, sit there and judge the horrible military people while my friend went to Afghanistan as a medic and treated children with third degree burns because their fathers dipped them in boiling water when they wouldn't stop crying.

Indeed you are morally superior.

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(Anonymous) - 2015-08-02 22:03 (UTC) - Expand

Go ahead and white-out ISIS there and type in Al-Queda and you've got exactly the reasons we're now fighting ISIS. We have no business being involved in the Middle East, we have no plan for really combating ISIS properly (hint: it would need a draft to have sufficient boots on the ground to deal with it) and we will only make a temporary dent at best before our hamfisted intervention brings about something worse. That has been the entire history Middle Eastern intervention since the end of WW2. It isn't about self-defense, or even getting even for 9/11. We are now creating spawning grounds for more terrorists than we would if we stayed out. It is about nothing more than trying to look tough in front of the other nations of the world. I don't support that, and I don't support any troops who are part of that.

Why so defensive? We all know the current mission is fucked up, the military is fucked from top to bottom, and the people in it are being asked to do things that are both horrible and actively put this country in more danger. Not only that, but the people who are in the military right now have chosen to sign up knowing that. Why should they be supported and liked for joining a service that is so beyond fucked up it isn't even funny?

Because you're taking the worst elements of the military and using it to hate on everyone in it, just like the assholes in the military take the worst aspects of Islam or its practitioners (like ISIS) to justify their hate and atrocities.

Like, I get it, there's been a lot of fuck ups in the Middle East.

But that's hardly the end-all be-all of the military.

Considering this exists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USNS_Mercy_(T-AH-19)

Yeah, I'm gonna take issue with everyone being smeared because of the actions of a few.

You can argue about politics and leaders, but saying hundreds of thousands or millions of people deserve to be scorned is fucked up, in my opinion.

I don't see any troops actively trying to fix that fuck up (Chelsea Manning aside). No, they are all busy following orders and happy being part of that military and I don't see the need to support that.

You sound like Fox News getting on Muslim people's cases for not doing anything to stop ISIS or terrorism -- as though they implicitly support it.

Here's a hint: the military does MANY things around the world. Just one thing that's done: securing of shipping routes that allows for trade. Or supporting the Baltic countries by fulfilling NATO obligations.

Nice presumption that everyone's happy and agrees with orders though.

Just like all Catholics agree with the pope.

In your analogy, the general public is Islam and those who joined up are ISIS. Your analogy is flawed because you are trying to say that the public and the general military population are synonymous, the military is an elective service separate from the wider public. They are the ISIS analogues in your own example.

Because you're equating military service with action in the Middle East which ignoring a HUGE range of functions of the military.

Like the COAST GUARD, for instance. Or people who work on US Naval hospital ships and provide disaster relief. Or medics in Afghanistan who treat the local population.

You're taking the most violent people, with the most violent and hateful ideologies (ISIS) and applying it to the entire group (Muslims).

Because, let's not forget, ISIS DRAWS its ideology FROM Islam -- just in an extremist and bloodthirsty manner.

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(Anonymous) - 2015-08-02 22:07 (UTC) - Expand

"The current cohort are there because they are fully onboard with the idea of covert torture, intentional collateral damage, and illegal engagements."

Or they were poor and this was the only way to get out of their situation and hopefully make a better life for themselves. Or something similar to that.

As the other anon says, just because some people in a field are assholes, it doesn't make all of them assholes. I'm not saying the troops need blind hero worship, but blind hatred isn't any better.

Being poor is no excuse. There are other ways out of poverty, and choosing to join a military that condones torture and may expect them to be complicit in that, or the deliberate targeted killings of innocents, or violating international law and borders of non-combatants and even allied nations is still wrong no matter how horrible the other choices are. Offers good bribes is no excuse for joining up. No excuses kids joining drug cartels and the mobs because they give them a route off the street too.

Yeah, they should join some gangs and shoot and torture people in the US instead! Cook up some babies!

http://www.lifenews.com/2015/07/29/attackers-who-beat-pregnant-teen-and-burnt-her-stillborn-baby-on-their-grill-not-charged-with-murder/

Because those are the types of people we need to make the military not look bloodthirsty...?

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