[ SECRET POST #3168 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3168 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Criminal Minds]


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[Community]


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(Harry Potter, Yu-Gi-Oh)


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[JerryC]


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[J.K. Rowling/Harry Potter]


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[Kingdom Hearts: Dream Drop Distance]


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[Hatfields & McCoys]


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[Proof]


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[Brooklyn Nine Nine]


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[Scarlett Johansson]


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[No Escape]











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Comments

Disproportionate fandom reactions

[(Anonymous)]

Have you ever seen the fandom criticize a character or celebrity to death only to justify the actions of another character you think did something worse? Share the most annoying examples here.

Re: Disproportionate fandom reactions

[(Anonymous)]

Pick any possible combination of two Harry Potter characters ever.

Re: Disproportionate fandom reactions

[(Anonymous)]

Seems to happen a lot in the Dragon Age series!

Re: Disproportionate fandom reactions

[fishnchips]

Especially when it's Anders vs. Fenris.

Sera and Vivienne

[(Anonymous)]

These two get the most hatred of any character I've ever seen in the fandom, yet when Solas expresses similar views to Sera, or when Vivienne expresses similar views to Fenris, they're reviled for it, whereas excuse after excuse is produced for why it's okay that Solas or Fenris said what they said.

And I like all of these characters. Fenris is one of my favourites. But it's not okay that there's such a double standard.

Re: Disproportionate fandom reactions

[caerbannog]

Haven't experienced any of it personally yet, but it certainly crosses my dash a bit!

Re: Disproportionate fandom reactions

[(Anonymous)]

My first thought was Blackwall vs the endless 'perfect cinnamon roll' Solas bullshit.

Re: Disproportionate fandom reactions

[(Anonymous)]

Well, there is a pretty big difference between how fandom criticizes black vs white celebs...

Re: Disproportionate fandom reactions

[(Anonymous)]

I like how you didn't specify what the difference was.

Re: Disproportionate fandom reactions

[(Anonymous)]

Black male celebs or black female celebs? Because remember, no social justice rules apply to anything that can be characterized as male sexual aggression.

Re: Disproportionate fandom reactions

[(Anonymous)]

Katie Cassidy, the actress who plays Laurel on Arrow, has gotten an insane amount of shit from people in the fandom (the majority of which is from some of the nuttier Olicity fans who consider her a threat to their ship, but some of it comes from others as well). When you start sending actual death threats to someone on twitter because you don't like the fact that their character had is a love interest of another character, it's time to reevaluate your life.

Re: Disproportionate fandom reactions

[(Anonymous)]

Katie Cassidy as in original-flavor Ruby? Poor woman, she just can't get roles that don't result in batshit levels of hate from fandom.

Re: Disproportionate fandom reactions

[(Anonymous)]

The people who loathe Anise Tatlin but adore Luke fon Fabre tend to get on my nerves. You occasionally see the position reversed, but Anise usually gets the worst end of this. (IMO both were victims worthy of pity and support.)

Also Shiori haters who support Ruka. I know this one is a better trickier to call (Shiori definitely has some serious problems) but Ruka was so much worse for me. That he's treated reasonably sympathetically by the narrative is the only place I'd say Revolutionary Girl Utena ever misses a beat for me.

Re: Disproportionate fandom reactions

[(Anonymous)]

I hate both Shiori and Ruka. Aside from Akio, they're the only characters I never felt any sympathy for.

Re: Disproportionate fandom reactions

[(Anonymous)]

Weird, I've only met (tons and tons of) people who love Anise but hate Luke. I think the reverse makes way more sense TBH, even while Anise is my favorite character. Anise knew she was doing something wrong and everyone in the game forgave her instantly. Luke thought he was doing the right thing and his only crime was trusting someone who had emotionally manipulated him into trusting him, and everyone else punished him for it. It was one of the most upsetting things I've ever seen in narrative dissonance.

As for Utena, there's a great review that explains why Ruka being treated "sympathetically" by the narrative makes sense... and why in the end he isn't, really. It's here http://joseinextdoor.tumblr.com/post/116259279454/utena-watch-party-episodes-28-29

Re: Disproportionate fandom reactions

[(Anonymous)]

ANYONE THAT HATES ANISE HAS TO ANSWER TO ME DIRECTLY. (I adore Luke too, but the hate on Anise makes me protective of her. She couldn't get out of the situation she was in!)

Re: Disproportionate fandom reactions

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh, Ruka. Shiori always pisses me off, but thinking about Ruka makes me want to wash. He's just so... UGH.

Re: Disproportionate fandom reactions

[(Anonymous)]

The moment JKR says anything ever.

People who haven't written fanfic since 2008 have been hating on her. I don't get it.

Re: Disproportionate fandom reactions

[(Anonymous)]

God this. I am so sick of seeing "HOW DARE SHE ASDSADFSAF RUINING MY CHILDHOOD" reactions. Or people going 'um it's really tacky and self absorbed that she does this, i hate it and she should stop'.

Both of them need to chill and shut up. Just because you aren't interested in it doesn't mean she needs to stop right now. Get over yourself.

Re: Disproportionate fandom reactions

[philstar22]

I agree. Her habit of giving every single little detail in interviews used to bug me. Then I got into the Tolkien fandom and realized that knowing lots of little details about something is actually pretty cool. I don't like all those details she gives, but then I just ignore then ones I don't like and enjoy AU fanfiction. But it is her universe and she can do what she wants with it.

Re: Disproportionate fandom reactions *Spoilers for The Old Republic*

[ex_mek82]

Yeah, I got one for you.

Everyone in the Old Republic fandom gets on Corso's case super bad, simply because he's characterized as your typical well-meaning 'chivalrous' guy, who has an admittedly antiquated views. Overall? I think he's harmless and tbbh, he's better when you're playing a male Smuggler, which is what I did initially, so that's where my opinion of him stems from. All in all, I can see where people are coming from when complaining about Corso, but goddamn, he's practically harmless and not borderline rapey like Doc and Tharan Cedrax are.

Yet Doc, a companion for the Jedi Knight, somehow gets a significant pass by the fandom, despite the fact if you're playing as a female Jedi Knight, he repeatedly hits on you, makes sexually suggestive remarks towards you and Kira (if she's in your party at the time), and does not stop when you tell him to knock that shit off. Maybe he's better with a male Knight, but I haven't had the motivation to get past Coruscant in the Prologue with mine to find out. The worst part? He's practically the ONLY male character, up until Theron Shan in the recent expansion (and Lana Beniko, for ladies who like other ladies), you can flirt with. I also hate him, because he abandoned a woman at the altar -because he didn't want to keep his dick in his pants for one woman, basically- and also was responsible for a clinic he had bought for that same woman burning down b/c some gang was after him. What a piece of filth, IMHO.

And yet the fandom just loves to shit all over Corso, who's "crimes" are not as insulting as Doc's. Corso's sexism -such as it is- might come from a well-meaning but admittedly sheltered view -and yes, you can call him out on it-, but there's NO excuse for Doc's 'No Means Yes' attitude when it comes to women, IMHO, and the fact more people haven't called the character out on this and instead seem to forgive him for it, just disgusts me.

Re: Disproportionate fandom reactions *Spoilers for The Old Republic*

[otakugal15]

Really? Cause I distinctly remember Doc, Tharen, Niko to an extent, and then the majority of the Jedi/Sith!Male romances being blasted as very problematic.

The males mentioned because they're womanizers and don't feel genuine until too late into the thing and the females because they are all subordinates.

There are criticisms of Quinn's romance because it's the opposite to most of the male romances, and then, yes, Corso.

I do hate Corso though. I'm sorry, but when I barely started the romance, realized how skeevy it was coming across, even if unintentional, and didn't persue it anymore and he STILL makes that annoying as fuck comment about putting his foot down? Yeah, no. That was the last straw for me.

It doesn't help that he has that "we'd all be speaking Separatist" thing, that whole "blue fella" comment which comes off as racist, his constant "you're a lady" stuff, his constant annoying remarks WHEN EVER the fem!Smug flirts with some one who ISN'T him, i just got sick of him.

I KNOW how he was supposed to be written and how he was supposed to be taken as. He's like Luke, a clueless farm boy thrust out into the bigger galaxy outside of his sandy backyard, but the fact that he never feels like he grows and truly respects the fem!Smug's decisions, he came across very sexist. I had a MAJOR issue with the turn down at the end of the romance where he grabs her and kisses her and she has this "WTF?" look and he basically makes a comment that boils down to "I'll be here when you finally give up and realize no one else will be there for you." Sure that may be an exaggeration and I'm biased as fuck, but that is exactly how that comment came across.

Tharen came across gross pretty much from the get go, so my short lived Consular just said, "fuck that, i'm staying celibate." Niko and Doc I hadn't really pursued yet, so...I just remember the criticisms on tumblr way back.

But Corso? No one can convince me to like him. No one. I can't even play goody two shoes Smugs for the most part to even be ABLE to stomach that romance, which is shame, cause everyone who has played a LS leaning Smug has said it's one of the sweetest romances. but it's been tainted for me, so...nah. I'd rather drop him Coruscant and go de-thaw Nico Okarr and climb that one like a tree. Or freakin' romance Rogun...

Re: Disproportionate fandom reactions

[(Anonymous)]

Star Wars fandom

Just…Star Wars fandom

Oh how many examples I have:

-Anakin in Attack of the Clones is called a stalker because he looks at Padmé after she tells him to stop but when Han Solo presses Leia up against a wall and kisses her after she tells him to stop touching her hands, it's sexy

-When Anakin kills people out of anger, he's beyond the pale but when Luke does it, it doesn't mention a peep

I'm talking about Anakin killing the sand people after his mother is killed versus Luke shooting the stormtroopers after Obi-Wan is killed. And you might very well say that the sand people included the children -- and I agree that's completely wrong. But look at what Anakin went through -- he spent a month having horrific visions of his mother being tortured and arrives for her to die in his arms while the perpetrators are outside -- people who would have heard her scream and did nothing. He doesn't know WHO specifically is responsible. Is it any wonder he loses it?

Luke, meanwhile, watches Obi-Wan die. And yes, that's horrible -- but how long has he known Obi-Wan? He didn't even know the guy was a Jedi until a few days ago. And Obi-Wan clearly LETS Vader kill him. Luke is upset and so when Obi-Wan is killed, he opens fire on Vader and the stormtroopers. And he keeps shooting, even when Leia and Han and begging him to go. He doesn't stop until Obi-Wan's voice tells him to go. And the thing of it is -- those stormtroopers -- they didn't kill Obi-Wan. And Luke didn't have to kill them -- he could have left while his friends were begging him to go. But he still killed them out of anger. He didn't care that they might have been conscripted on the pain of death -- he was angry and even though he could have left, they were the enemy so he killed them.

I'm not saying that what Luke did is as bad as Anakin, but I feel like Anakin at least has way more emotional trauma to justify his bloodlust and he at least recognizes it was wrong. While Luke -- no one mentions it at all.

Or Padmé. Padmé gets criticized for marrying Anakin -- someone who had saved her planet, saved her life, and was going off to protect the Republic in the Clone Wars whom she KNEW had lashed out in a moment of extreme emotional distress. And, yes, she was foolhardy.

But why does Leia -- who goes for Han -- never get criticized. Han worked for a slaver -- Jabba the Hutt -- and shows no remorse for his actions. In fact, when they go to rescue Han, Luke, Leia and company blow up the sail barge -- as though there weren't any slaves on it at all -- even though we KNOW Jabba has slaves. They don't seem to care about innocent causalities here at all. But the Jedi in the prequels will get raked over the coals for it.

I could go on but I think I've written enough...

Re: Disproportionate fandom reactions

[philstar22]

I agree with a lot of this. I feel like people have such massive nostalgia goggles and such disproportionate prequel hate that they won't criticize OT characters and over emphasize flaws of prequel characters.

Star Wars characters have always been flawed, which is part of what makes them interesting in spite of being archetypes.

Re: Disproportionate fandom reactions

[(Anonymous)]

A lot of people who play Skyrim seem to hate Lydia, and... I just don't understand it? At all? I mean, the sarcastic-sounding 'I am sworn to carry your burdens' thing can get a little wearying, but that's about it?
I suppose it could be that she's pretty much the easiest companion to get, so there's no sense of... value, I guess?