[ SECRET POST #3172 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3172 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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(Ollie Locke)


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 013 secrets from Secret Submission Post #453.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

OP

It's just... bad. Charmless. The location has no chance to shine, and the main character is your standard gormless but attentive teenager. Think Renton Thurston without Eureka as a driving motivation. There are hundreds of Badass Ragtag Team Fights The Things stories out there, and there's nothing but Nightow's name to compel me to keep buying volumes. If he wants that old dude to be the main character then he should have the balls to just make him the main character, because the main guy from B3 ain't a patch on Hellsing's Kitten, so it's no way to be shown a likeable character from an outsider perspective.

tl;dr I liked this manga better when it was The Demon Ororon and it was bleak as fuck.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know this series or indeed even the author but my god, this comment. Wow. Presenting: the lesser spotted anime hipster in its natural habitat.

[(Anonymous)]

OP

Bite me, the comment wasn't meant for you. I've got two degrees in literature and I've been collecting manga for a decade. Why should I pretend I'm only interested in things with a certain number of readers? I collect fashionable manga and less mainstream stuff. Trigun was actually very mainstream, and the anime aired on Adult Swim iirc (I'm not American). I don't see why I shouldn't have comparatively niche interests like any nerd.

[(Anonymous)]

Of course it wasn't meant for me, you can tell by how it reeks faintly of that desire to sound clever and well-informed. Those dual degrees must be doing a lot for ya. Really, how long were you holding that in, just waiting for some poor soul to bite?

[(Anonymous)]

OP

I don't know why you're assuming I'm a snob. I just like to talk about manga sometimes. Isn't that one of the many things f!s can be used for? I'm not judging other people when they talk at length about things I'm not particularly interested in. And this is actually my third secret posted this week - the other two were for mildly obscure fandoms too. I note you didn't come to hassle me on them.

[(Anonymous)]

I like how you assume this is in any way about your choice of fandoms. And how you said all of the stuff in your previous comment like it was a good thing. But no, don't get insecure now, you were doing really well!

[(Anonymous)]

OP

Then what on earth is it about? That I dared to put my criticism of and concern about a mangaka's current series in the context of his previous work, and the works and genre of which it is derivative?

That's... the gist of the original secret? Why is this a problem? Why do you need to try to tear me down?

[(Anonymous)]

Do you hear yourself when you talk? Honest question.

[(Anonymous)]

New anon

Resorting to insults proves you know you're wrong, but you just can't admit it.

The other person's comment above was perfectly reasonable. They have a hobby and they like to enjoy it intelligently, so what?

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, new anon.

[(Anonymous)]

OP

Thank you, other anon. I was starting to think I'd actually done something odd in this thread, and you made me feel a bit better. Then my girlfriend woke up from what seemed to be a very intense dream about sausages, read the thread, and agreed that the troll came out of freakin' nowhere, so I guess I don't mind now. It's just... why even do that? Maybe I'm not in the greatest place right now. Maybe I am feeling it a bit about not living up to the promise of my degrees. Why is that any of troll!anon's business? Why've they got to attack people to feel good about themselves?

Eh, probably answered my own question there.

[croik]

Don't sweat it too much OP, troll is just bored. I don't think you said anything off.

[(Anonymous)]

neither ayrt or other anon, but while I agree there's a possibility they're a troll, I've seen plenty fans who can't stand /any/ criticism of their favorite show, but instead of bringing up said show's good points they use the same type of arguments anon has in this thread.

[feotakahari]

"Bite me, the comment wasn't meant for you. I've got two degrees in literature and I've been collecting manga for a decade."

But are you a top Navy SEAL with over 300 confirmed kills?

[(Anonymous)]

OP

yes yes, alright, and I sell monogrammed thermos flasks, DON'T YOU KNOW WHO I AM etc. Just trying to add a bit of context for why I immediately wanted to start analysing why I wasn't enjoying the manga, and putting it into context with other stuff, since that's what the jerk upthread seemed to be getting hot under the collar about.

Also those degrees ain't shit where I live; I have a part-time job in an industrial kitchen. I'm okay with that.

[croik]

I've been thinking about giving the manga a try, since I liked the anime but felt it lacked a certain sense of team cohesion, but it sounds like that problem is in the source? Everything about the anime is "Here is your party, like them," without really putting in the effort to develop each character and their relationships. I'm pretty sure Chain has 3 lines in 11 eps. And even when it gives up a glimpse of something really interesting or heartfelt, it's discarded an episode later. And of course, the final episode is in limbo, which sucks (even though, to be honest, I don't expect that the finale will give us any answers or closure anyway).

But I still love Trigun. Nothing can pry Trigun from me.

[(Anonymous)]

OP

Yeah! That's it! That's the feeling I've been trying to describe. I don't think it helps that I was reading it at around the same time as Gangsta., which is kind of the polar opposite in that respect. It kind of seems like he's imitating Kouta Hirano's style, where stuff plays out in the negative space of events, and you sort of witness characters trusting each other differently over time, without seeing much of the domesticity which must be aiding that closeness. Like... maybe Nightow isn't good enough to carry that off. Maybe the main character needs to be brash, or needs to keep his friends at arm's length. I guess he was trying hard to do the opposite of Trigun. I guess he achieved that.

[croik]

What's really frustrating at least from the anime side of things is that if you watch the ending sequence, it showcases a lot of what is actually missing in the show itself: the whole gang together hanging out and having fun and showcasing their personality quirks. It feels like a group that I really could get into an enjoy, were those dynamics fleshed out in the show. I was even thinking of requesting it for Yuletide, to see if fandom could fill in those blanks.

Maybe it's just that "found family" is such a stock trope of shonen manga/anime that Nightow took it for granted this time. With Trigun, Vash was such an important figure within his own world that it felt right that everyone knew and gravitated toward him and fell into place. Leonardo, not so much (which is a shame because damn, those eyes, what a great design).

[(Anonymous)]

nyart

the whole gang together hanging out and having fun and showcasing their personality quirks.

This is vital to me if the show makes a point about how important friendship is or how one person brought everyone else together. Neglect that and I'll be scratching my head over why the people are friends. And if they do or say things that go directly against this and they don't get called out on it? Then I'll be wondering what the show runners are thinking.

Looking at you, Sailor Moon Crystal. It took me reading the manga and watching the other adaptations to get why people consider SM to have good female friendships.

[ketita]

I don't *think* you've been misjudging Trigun. I loved it too, both the anime and the manga (though god was the art difficult to parse! Half of the battles I had no idea what was going on). B3 is really different in terms of feel, I think. It also tries to be a lot more ensemble cast than Trigun ever was.

It was a bit scattered for me, but I did enjoy it and found it kind of refreshing relative to other shows that have come out recently (though my favorite of this season is Gangsta. That one's fun~)