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fandomsecrets2015-09-15 06:58 pm
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[ SECRET POST #3177 ]
⌈ Secret Post #3177 ⌋
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(Anonymous) 2015-09-16 12:29 am (UTC)(link)And what do you know? The het shippers WON'T STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT IT.
Long story short: people will always freak out over ships. I find myself growing more and more sceptical about people who claim it's all about representation. (Of which there should be more of, naturally - I'm just deeply cynical about those who claim that's what they're really clambouring for).
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(Anonymous) 2015-09-16 01:41 am (UTC)(link)I honestly don't know how big the ship is in fandom. Usually there's a juggernaut ship in any given fandom, but Bellarke/Clexa seems pretty evenly divided. Add to that, the writers are clearly more interested in resolving Clexa before moving on to anything else, and I don't get the sense that the Bellamy/Clarke shippers are particularly interested in that particular pairing (based on some of their interviews and tweets).
But a couple of Bellarke shippers are pulling out the "social issues" card in defence of their ship. A rant appeared on my dash the other day insisting that Clexa was "anti-feminist" because "feminism is all about celebrating men AND women", which is pretty much up there with the anti-Korrasami "feudal lord/handmaiden" meme in The Legend of Korra fandom.
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(Anonymous) 2015-09-16 01:42 am (UTC)(link)Whoops, I meant Bellamy/Clarke ACTORS.
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Wow. That rant sounds hilarious but infuriating.
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(Anonymous) 2015-09-16 07:52 am (UTC)(link)So basically they read a pro-female piece and accused it of having a shipping bias while crying: "what about the menz??"
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(Anonymous) 2015-09-16 01:28 am (UTC)(link)My fandom had a het ship become canon but a lot of fandom think it's bullshit and criticize it, the shippers of that ship get all butthurt and play the victim and get catty with everyone else because they falsely assumed that canon status would protect their ship from hate.
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(Anonymous) 2015-09-16 02:19 am (UTC)(link)My take is always that if any of my non-canon pairings I like become canon, awesome! If they don't...*Shrugs*. Oh, well.
That said, however, I understand and support gay/bi people wanting to see more relationships like theirs on TV, and I think if het shippers can push for and get all vocal about their favorite pairings, slash shippers should be able to do the same.
And I also agree that whether you're a het shipper or a slash shipper (or both!), if you want to show your support for a pairing you like becoming canon, you should always do so respectfully. There are plenty of ways to do that that are mature and rational.
And if any het or slash fans harass and threaten writers/creators/actors, or insult fans of other ships, or things like that? The people who work on the show should automatically render all their comments null and void. Temper tantrums/death threats/insults should never be rewarded.
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(Anonymous) 2015-09-16 02:20 am (UTC)(link)Like…hello? DUH -- it's canon. That means it's part of the story and open to criticism.
You can't criticize a noncanon slash ship because everyone writes it differently. Sure, you can criticize the portrayal in a particular fanfic, but there's no centralized CANON depiction to like or dislike.
It's just…what are you expecting? Being canon makes your ship a bigger target because now there's an actual romance depicted and so people can detail what they like or dislike about HOW it was done, not just the idea of it.
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(Anonymous) 2015-09-16 09:21 am (UTC)(link)Yes, you can.
Slash ships usually follow the argument that based on the canon interactions between the characters they would make the best couple, but this is questionable in most of the cases.
If the slash ship is based on a platonic relationship that the slash fans insist is obviously canon romantic love, quality writing, the most healthy and that makes the most sense for the characters both in terms of other non canon ships and the canon ship (and they accuse other fans of being derlusional, blind or homophobes if they can't see it), OF COURSE the fans you are trying to convince to see the light and accept your ship as the most valid alternative to the canon one can counter argument and explain, using the same canon you are using to criticize one ship and overrate another, why your ship is flawed and you are wearing slash goggles. If people think your ship sucks the way it's in canon, how can you expect them to think they'd have the so perfect romance you say they'd have (or have, according to slash goggles in action)?
That's why you have queer people often jump in shipper wars arguments and say they don't want x slash ship to represent them because their existing canon relationship is problematic and they don't think they'd make a good healthy couple with a positive message about relationships, at all.
Your argument makes sense only if the slash fans (or fans of not canon ships in general thus het too!) are quiet, never get into shipper wars with the canon ship fans (or other fans of not canon ships), and don't display the hypocrisy others are capable of when they criticize the canon ships, and when they preach about their ship being canon all the time but want to remind that it isn't canon only when someone is criticizing it. That with the added butthurt feelings coming from the fact that maybe they are using your own arguments for other ships, against your ship too. Or worse, calling you out for criticizing x canon ship for stuff you like to see your ship get in fanworks (e.g., sour grapes)
A lot of notcanon-ships fans who ship in fandoms with a canon ship, be that het or gay couple, tend to proportionally nitpick about the canon ship the same they overrate the relationship they want to be canon, and turn a blind eye to the problematic elements that they criticize in other ships but that their ship has too, maybe even more.
This is "when het shippers complain because their canon ship gets more criticism than the noncanon slash ship"
It isn't about het vs slash either. I had been in an old fandom where the wankers where the fans of a crack het ship that insisted the canon ship was crap and problematic while their own option was the best. And yet, those characters disliked each other in canon, they didn't even have a friendship and, based on the way their personalities were developed, they were truly not compatible and would make a bad couple if they were together, unless, well, the writers changed the characters.
Those fans kept gloating about how their ship was the one that made the most sense and used canon to backup their arguments even though most of it was manipulation of canon scenes to attribute to them different purposes than that of what the writers really intended.
Nowadays slash fans I refer to at the beginning aren't that different from those het fans, and in both cases they are the ones who makes it so that their not canon ship can be criticized and, sometimes, MUST be criticized.
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(Anonymous) 2015-09-16 04:55 pm (UTC)(link)no subject
(Anonymous) 2015-09-16 08:35 pm (UTC)(link)ppl trying to out anons all the while hiding behind anon themselves are one of the greatest ironies of FS and why I'm 100% pro IP logging.
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(Anonymous) 2015-09-16 09:20 pm (UTC)(link)Those were the days.. back at the fanforum when the appreciation threads for ships had the funniest passive aggressive titles against the rival ship ;)
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(Anonymous) 2015-09-17 09:08 am (UTC)(link)