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What are some opinions/reads of something in canon people have that you just cannot get?

Death Note fandom:

L is some sort of poor, heroic orphan. What he did to Light and Misa was INHUMAN, especially Misa.

Light's eviler (obviously) but L's still grey as hell

Harry fell for Ginny because he has an Oedipus complex. The reasoning behind this idea? "GINNY AND LILY ARE BOTH REDHEADS, DURR HURR HURR."

Look, I cringe at JKR's awkward attempts to write romance as much as the next HP fan, but that "explanation" is ridiculous and says a lot more about the fans who believe it than it does about the characters involved.

I…kind of hold this view.

I don't see it as an Oedipus complex but it does bother me how both Lily and Ginny seem to be put on a pedestal. James most certainly is not on one but Lily definitely is.

I really liked Ginny in Book 5.

But by book 6 it seemed like JKR was constantly going on and on about how smart and talented and popular and good-looking Ginny was and what a good Quidditch player she is too.

AYRT

I'd argue James actually was put on a pedestal up until Harry found out about his teenage acts of dickishness. It makes sense for Harry to idolize his parents to an extent since all the adults he knows constantly talk them up as the Greatest People Ever, and having never met them, it would be comforting for him to imagine them being the Greatest People Ever. Harry gets a rude awakening when Snape's memory contradicts what he'd been led to believe about James, thus pushing James off the pedestal he'd been put on. Harry has no such rude awakening regarding Lily, who for all we know could have also done dickish things when she was a teenager that Harry (and by extension, the readers) never found out about.

As for Ginny being put on a pedestal, I suspect that has more to do with JKR being overly fond of her than anything else. (There's a phenomenon TV Tropes calls the "Creator's Pet", formerly known as "The Wesley" after Wesley Crusher from Star Trek TNG. I think Ginny is a good example of this trope.)

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(Anonymous) - 2015-09-22 00:17 (UTC) - Expand

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(Anonymous) - 2015-09-22 00:23 (UTC) - Expand

I'll give you Lily.

But honestly, for Ginny, she's being seen through Harry's eyes, so there's a "Harry filter" there. Plenty of other characters also disagree with or dis her, and even in book 6 we've seen how Ginny herself can get downright nasty.

I like Ginny having plenty of friendships and boyfriends other than Harry. To me it just showed that she had a life outside of Harry.

I guess I just feel like it's an overreaction /reminiscent of the whole 'Mary Sue suspicion. Ginny grew up in a family full of brothers, and a family that was very into Qudditch, many of her brothers were Quddicth players, and to me Ginny always seemed like the kind of girl who wanted to go out and play with the boys, while her mother tended to overprotect her for being the only daughter. So....her being good at Quidditch isn't surprising.

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(Anonymous) - 2015-09-22 17:49 (UTC) - Expand

I've long thought Hermione was closer to a Lily parallel anyway...

Uh, I doubt it. Red hair is pretty common in the UK.

Besides, Ginny is obviously a substitute for Ron.

:duck and run:

Stiles is a gigantic asshole, self-centered and pretentious. That's why I like him! He is clannish in the extreme and obsessively loyal to those he chooses to like, but he shows his loyalty by, like, control-freakishly trying to manage them and dragging them into the woods to look for dead bodies and lying to authority figures for them. He doesn't mediate and he doesn't coddle and he probably doesn't know how to do his own damn laundry. If you need someone to be pack mom, how about, idk MELISSA? She's be bomb at it. How about Boyd, he's got his head on straight, he could probably manage the fuck out of the lot of them like my Mom wrangled us at Disneyworld. But STILES? The illogic, it burns.

I think this is one of those things where you're missing a crucial qualification. Specifically, "is a hot boy."

(To be clear, I see nothing wrong with this)

Pack Mom Stiles was created very early in canon. I've seen a lot less of it these days.

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I've always said, Scott is way more of a pack mom than Stiles EVER was. But Scott was unpopular early in fandom, so...

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+1 it was fun at first, but then god no. It's like what show are they watching. I like Stiles exactly as you described, especially the whole clannish part (if you're not in, you could be dead for all he cares).

Been reading some discussion on Equestria Girls regarding Celestia and Sunset Shimmer. (also I should state that I am actually a huge fan of Sunset so it's not like I'm trying to bash her here)

I've seen a disturbing amount of people seem to argue that Celestia is more at fault, and essentially blaming Celestia for a lot of Sunset's flaws, and claiming that Celestia was hard to please and an unfair teacher.

I will admit that Celestia probably should have explained more about WHY Sunset wasn't ready. But let's not forget, it was established that Sunset was arrogant, thought she was better than people, and obviously thought she deserved or was owed princesshood. I think in one of the tie in books it was explained that Sunset thought her cutie mark meant that she was supposed to succeed Celestia.

But still, Sunset was an arrogant jerk who thought herself better than others. And let's keep in mind, Celestia was trying to train a student to eventually be a Princess. Possibly a successor or leader of her country.

If your were in her place, and your student constantly demanded power, treated others as beneath her and acted full of herself, would you consider giving her a royal position that comes with a great deal of power? Especially after your own sister abused her powers in a jealous fit and you had to banish her.

Also the arguments that Celestia was an egomaniac and wanted Sunset to humble herself completely to her. I don;t think Celestia ever said that Sunset couldn't have pride in her accomplishments, or couldn't have self esteem. She just wanted Sunset to be a decent person and not be conceited and act like a jerk.

It's not a parent throwing their child out for not being perfect. It's a teacher/boss telling a person who doesn't work well with others that they weren't going to be put in a position over others. Even the Element of Magic itself showed in it's reaction that Sunset was clearly not fit for it, in it's rather violent reaction.

Not until she shaped up a little.

i can't believe people are saying that except i can because sometimes this fandom gets really weird

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dani_phantasma - 2015-09-22 02:38 (UTC) - Expand

Just about everything ME3 that assumes something more than a half-assed wrap-up. But especially, indoctrination theory.

Gandalf/Galadriel

I don't mind Indoctrination Theory if the person talking about is doing it out of desperation for something better than the half-assed thing they know is true. Essentially, I just don't like it when they say that it's what Bioware intended because they so obviously didn't.

Personally, I would like something different from both what we got and the theory. But that's never going to happen. Instead we're getting ME4 in another galaxy or something.

I totally blame PJ for Gandalf/Galadriel.

Niche market, but: people who think Sophie/Rupert in Montmaray Journals came out of nowhere. I do agree that how it happened was abrupt (although that was sort of the whole book), but going back to their first interactions it was clear that Sophie felt comfortable with him, and the entire theme of Sophie/Simon was that she never knew what to do around him.

Asexual, aromantic Katniss. No guys, she has specific reasons for not wanting to get romantically involved with anyone that she states over and over, and they're not lack of interest. Especially after middle of Catching Fire.

There seems to be a tendency in fandom in general to always view a lack of interest in sex and romance as indicative of asexuality/aromanticism, regardless of context. I think there's a lot of confusion about how sexuality actually works (e.g. it's not compulsive).

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diet_poison - 2015-09-22 02:26 (UTC) - Expand

Wait, this is a thing?

... Did they read the same books as me? Even at the end, she's not aromantic or anything, just severely traumatised and living in a world without any support for that.

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(Anonymous) - 2015-09-22 01:31 (UTC) - Expand

So many Tolkien fandom interpretations.

Mairon the abused woobie who only became what he becomes because of being abused by Melkor.

Celebrimbor being exactly like Feanor.

Maedhros the woobie. Yes he was tortured and probably had PTSD. He still did terrible things.

Persephone as being enthusiastic about staying in Hades.

>in Hades

Well, you sure know your mythology well, don't you!

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