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Lots of people have OTPs for relationships that are super-"problematic" (whatever that may mean - abusive, power differential, one character is evil or used to be evil, they tried to kill each other, other creepy factors, blah blah), but which are not canonically romantic. And a lot of the time, the justification for liking it is "it's just for fun, it's not canon!"

But how about relationships like this that ARE canonically romantic? Do you really like or even OTP any of these?

Buffy/Angel, maybe. Sending your lover to hell, killing their friends, age difference...

DA

And Buffy/Spike as well.

Re: Your most problematic CANON otps

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Re: Your most problematic CANON otps

philstar22 - 2015-11-16 00:29 (UTC) - Expand

Yup. Age difference, vampire and vampire slayer, all the season 2 stuff. Very problematic, and I loved that the show acknowledged that.

Dude, as someone who is married to a man 15 years older than me, let me tell you that age difference isn't problematic.

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(Anonymous) - 2015-11-16 08:32 (UTC) - Expand

Well, Shaw/Root, probably.

Anakin/Padmé -- domestic violence, he kills her (kind of), completely obsessed with her, her overlooking just how fucked up he is...

I kind of consider their relationship the anti-Twilight in the sense that it realistically plays out what would happen if a guy was so obsessed with a woman the way Anakin is with Padmé

Yup. And that's why I actually ship them. I love how creepy their relationship is.

Does Richard III/Anne Neville (from Shakespeare) count?

Probably Vegeta/Bulma from DBZ. I'm sure there are others but I can't remember them now...

Eh, Vegeta is pretty much a kitten now. Him freaking out on the catguy for hitting Bulma and when he was singing/dancing about bingo come to mind.

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(Anonymous) - 2015-11-15 23:27 (UTC) - Expand

Judai/Yubel from Yu-Gi-Oh GX (I wouldn't have even remembered this except that anon a few threads above reminded me.)

Technically speaking, Doctor/TARDIS (she's literally a sentient starship/time-machine while he's a humanoid, and she's also exponentially more powerful than him and knows his entire future). IDK if it quite qualifies though, given, again, the fact that she's a device.

Well, Jack/Tardis and Doctor/Tardis exist as fic pairings in Whodom...

Clarke/Lexa (the 100) I love the smell of betrayal in the morning. Tho I completely disagree with the jerks that call it abusive.

I got the impression Bella/Jacob was supposed to be the "problematic" counterpart to Bella/Edward--Edward has dangerous impulses, but also has good impulse control, whereas Jacob has poor impulse control and could potentially wind up hurting someone. (Meyer lays it on thick when Bella meets that woman who has a scar across half her face and married the man who gave it to her, and Bella wonders if dating Jacob will end up with her scarred like that in one way or another.) But honestly, I think Jacob is a way better influence on Bella's behavior, encouraging her to be adventurous and proactive instead of passively letting Edward do everything for her.

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Caithe/Faolain from Guild Wars 2. Dunno if "together in the backstory but broken up as of canon" counts, but I ship it, problematicness and all. That's probably why I ship it, tbh. I don't know what would be interesting to me about the pairing if it weren't so...well:

(whatever that may mean - abusive, power differential, one character is evil or used to be evil, they tried to kill each other[...])

Pretty much all of the above applies, in lieu of a long-winded explanation of why the ship is "problematic". :P

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(Anonymous) - 2015-11-15 23:22 (UTC) - Expand

I love Shinra/Celty from Durarara. Surprisingly and to my relief, so does most of the fandom on Tumblr. F!S is the place I've run into the most lecturing about how if you ship it and think it's sweet at all you must not understand bodily autonomy.

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(Anonymous) - 2015-11-16 01:18 (UTC) - Expand

Well...I guess one could argue about how canon they are (I'm not in the mood to though) but I feel like Hannibal and Will fit this. There isn't any other pairing that I can think of that's more fucked up then them. (There probably is something, but again, I don't know it.)

It has a little bit of everything: abuse, attempted murder (multiple times, on both characters parts), Hannibal being Satan, cannibalism, emotional manipulation up the wazoo, what I think could be described as stockholm syndrome (technically Will can already empathize with serial killers when he meets Hannibal, and Hannibal doesn't exactly capture him but...it still feels like a grey area), god knows what else.

And I do love them together, a lot, largely because of how much shit they put each other through and how deep their feelings for each other are. It might not be right, but yea, I find it fascinating.

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elaminator - 2015-11-16 01:55 (UTC) - Expand

Buffy/Angel
Anakin/Padmé

I don't think I OTP ship anything that is canon at the moment. I mean, the canon we have for Celebrimbor/Annatar is pretty abusive and full of power differences, but the actual ship isn't canon.

Jaime/Cersei is something I still kind of ship, and that's really problematic. But I don't really OTP them. I just like the creepy aspects.

I'm currently starting to ship Killgrave/Jessica Jones, and it is canon that he raped her as far as I understand.

SASUKE/SAKURA

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(Anonymous) - 2015-11-16 01:34 (UTC) - Expand

I guess Tom/Elizabeth Keen, since I started shipping them after Tom's reveal and I really, really hope they get ~~back~~ together.

Subaru/Seishirou. Manipulation, a skeevy age difference during TB, murder, physical abuse, genuine mind screwiness (constantly using spells to manipulate someone's memories is probably not good for them in the long term).

But oh gosh, they are my ultimate OTP.

Damon/Elena from The Vampire Diaries. I ship it with the part of my brain that is apparently still a teenager. I really wish I didn't, but I just can't help myself; they have chemistry, and Ian Smolderharder truly does smolder harder.

What's Fucked Up About Them: Damon's basically a reformed serial killer/rapist (the show never treats what he does like rape, but compelling someone to not be afraid of you or run away, and then having sex with them, is in fact rape, so). Except he's not so reformed, since he falls of the wagon a lot. Elena kills some people too along the way. Damon terrorizes Elena and tries to kill her a bunch, long before they're together. He also kills her younger brother, but the brother comes back to life. After they're together Damon manipulates Elena for selfish reasons, and keeps important information from her all the time. He also tries to control her in more overt ways, and often succeeds. She keeps loving him anyway.

Virginia/Bill from Masters Of Sex. They're incredibly well written characters with an incredibly well written relationship. But that relationship is also pretty fucked up.

What's Fucked Up About Them: It's constructed on a systemic power imbalance, for one thing. Also, Bill is pretty much horrible to everyone he has a personal relationship with. Also, Bill is married to someone else. Also, Bill doesn't really respect the parts of Virginia's life that do not overlap with his life. It sounds horrible. It is horrible. And yet...

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