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Disabled people whining about how fetus testing might lead to disabled fetus being aborted: sad and ableist as that is, that's the pregnant person's prerogative!

If you want to avoid that situation focus your activism on making it easier to raise a disabled child, NOT on trying to ban fetus testing. For a group who claims to be so serious about the right to bodily autonomy, you're fucking hypocrites.

I agree. But then I'm very pro-choice. So really, whatever reason the pregnant woman sees as valid, I will accept.

As a disabled person, I agree, and I also feel that nobody should have to put up with a disability.

I get disabled people feeling that they deserve to be valued as people, and all that, but it can't be denied that their lives are made harder because of their disability, and it's just a fine line between "terminate pregnancy because the child has a congenital disability and its life will be hard" and "make the child live with this limiting condition because it proves that disabled people are capable of surviving". I wonder what the overlap is between pro-life and pro-disability groups.

I hate thinking about these decisions because it's just impossible to know how the future child will feel about their disability. I've had people tell me they would rather die than live like I do, but overall I like my life and I'm glad I'm here. But someone else with the same problems might feel the same way as the people who are horrified to hear the details. I wish people would stop acting like there's a clear line dividing things that anyone can handle and things that obviously no one would want to live with. It's more complicated than that and it bothers me when people turn it into a black and white issue where either it's always wrong to abort or it's always cruel to carry a pregnancy to term knowing the child will have some debilitating problem.

I don't get why they'd want anyone to grow up with parents who would have aborted them if they'd had the foresight to do it.

Because the sorts of people who make a huge fuss over stuff like this care more about having a cause to fight for than how their cause impacts others.

That's the most fucked up part of pro-life arguments. It's all for the good and the well-being and the life of the baby....who will be forced to grow up with parents who don't want it, who aren't in a good place emotionally to care for another human, who aren't financially able to give it the food or medical care it needs, who don't have the time between working 3 jobs to look after it... but does anyone step up beyond saying "you can't abort this baby" and actually do anything to care for the child after it's born? Nope.

The argument is that it is better to live life even a bad life than to get no chance at life at all. I don't agree, but that's the argument.

I guess that's where I fundamentally disagree (on both sides of life).

At most they'll tell you to just put up the child for adoption... because, y'know, it's not like there are any kids having problems getting adopted or anything!

As a person with a disability, +10.

You are not disabled.

Fuck off.

Delete yourself.

I am.

No.

I mean, I could post my decal and everything, but you seem to be the kind of person who thinks chronic illness "doesn't count".

If so I don't care about your opinion lol.

Oh quit your lying you never gave a shit about anyone's opinion regardless of who you might hurt with your insensitive self-centered bullshit

chronic illnesses certainly count, I just don't believe you have one:)

lol you're so cute.

And you're a lying sociopath. <3

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This is one of those things that makes me wary of various disabled communities and advocates.

I would never in a million years bring someone into this world KNOWING they would deal with the same disabilities I have. Never. In my mind that would be unimaginably cruel and selfish.

I'm already here and my choices are to live a painful miserable life or kill myself (which would cause pain and misery in the lives of others). But an unborn child doesn't have to make that choice and they don't have to live with crippling pain or untreatable mental illness.

Thanks to my family history of mental health issues and my husband's even worse family history, we're not having kids. I know that's not the same thing as deciding to terminate a fetus that will develop a disability, but having been through what I've been through, there is no fucking way I want to put a child through that.

I'm of the mind that we should take every advantage we can get to make informed decisions.

I don't give a crap what your religious beliefs are or what you want, tbh. You are making a person and your decision should be entirely about them, because they will have to live with your decision, or not live with it. If you put yourself first in this, you are already doing parenting wrong.

There's a big difference between "I don't have the resources to raise a disabled child" and "it's cruel to bring a disabled child into the world." The first isn't an ablist thought, the second one is.

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