[ SECRET POST #3280 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3280 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I don't mind the casting. But Rowling pretending that she didn't write Hermione as white to score diversity points is pretty stupid and cringeworthy. And people defending her are even more stupid, the book literally says that Hermione is white.

Rowling should have just said that race is irrelevant to Hermione's characterization so casting a black woman is ok.

[(Anonymous)]

Not to mention that she went out of her way to remove a mention of Dumbledore having a girlfriend in the film because she knew that he was gay.

If Hermione was not white she definitely would have said something a decade ago.

[(Anonymous)]

It's her canon, though; she can do what she likes with it.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but if the things she is doing are stupid people are allowed to point that out and discuss it.

[(Anonymous)]

yup

the desperate "but it never said she was white anywhere in the books" was... well, desperate

plus the whole mudblood thing works better as a metaphor for racism than it does as actual racism

plus... her name's hermione granger, which is one of the whitest names you can get (seriously, you're not going to assume a character called cecil poncington-smythe is black)

plus if anything she's clearly asian - both her parents are dentists >:-p

[dratinis]

Black people can have pretty white sounding names, but I do agree that the tweet I saw came across as a little too desperate.

Meh. It's no skin off my nose. She's cool with it, which is pretty A+ to me, considering how some authors get up in arms about other fannish things.

[ms_scarletibis]

White Sounding Names:

Flavor Flav's name is William Drayton.

[erinptah]

Eh, I don't think she's trying to score points for herself there, I think she's refusing to let people use her as a weapon in their "hdu imagine Hermione as black, it's Not Canon" crusades. Which is legit.

[(Anonymous)]

That's well-said.

[likeadeuce]

Yes, this.

[(Anonymous)]

+10000000

This is exactly how I read her reaction too.

[(Anonymous)]

yeah, this.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not uncommon for the children of immigrants to have "white" names, though. My parents gave me and my siblings fairly European sounding names so we'd fit in better.

[(Anonymous)]

yeah, i was thinking about that myself when i was formulating the argument in my head the other day :p

[tabaqui]

This. I went to school with several kids who were born in Korea but immigrated, and they had chosen (or had chosen for them) 'American' names. So I was in class with Koreans named Agnes, and Naomi, and Ron.

[(Anonymous)]

"Hermione Granger" sounds as much like a black person as "Tess Gerritsen" or "Adrienne Clarkson" sound like enthnically Chinese people.

Tess Gerritsen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tess_Gerritsen

Adrienne Clarkson: http://adrienneclarkson.com/welcome

[raspberryrain]

That name sounds reasonable enough for someone with roots in the West Indies or Guyana--like a lot of blacks in Britain.

The President of Guyana is named David Granger.

There's a Grenadian-born scholar named Hermione McKenzie, and I'd say she's mixed.

So I conclude that "Hermione Granger" is more likely for a Briton of West Indian descent than "Draco Malfoy" is for a white Briton.

[(Anonymous)]

Just going to point out, along with the other anons, white name does not equal white person. My name is about as Irish as Colleen McKernan and I am not white. I do have light/olive skin, and I do pale etc. But guess what, still a PoC.

All things aside, why not a PoC Granger? In the least she could be racially mixed. It could explain her hair. Certainly explains mine.

[(Anonymous)]

I actually knew a Cecil Smith growing up. Who was black. He was my brother's best friend for going on 8 years before we moved cities.

[(Anonymous)]

That's pretty much what she did: pointed out that nowhere do the books specify she's white, so casting a black actress is perfectly fine.

[(Anonymous)]

But that's wrong because the books specify that she's white.

[(Anonymous)]

IMO this is very much in keeping with how Rowling approaches her work, but usually fandom is pretty fierce in defending her no matter what.

[(Anonymous)]

Except for the elements of fandom who throw tantrums every time she posts a tweet. Or come out to blast her on this very forum.

[(Anonymous)]

LOL, I knew Rowling haters were going to start pretending that was what she meant when she said the books never specified that she was white. She was saying that it didn't technically contradict canon to cast her as black, as a response to people who said that it did. Everyone knows she meant for the character to be white when she wrote her, but by virtue of a loophole, it's not set in stone in the canon.

But also there were nonwhite characters who were introduced in books before their race was specified (Angelina Johnson, Blaise Zabini...) so you can't say her not being called any race right is the same thing as canon confirmation that she's white.

[(Anonymous)]

>Rowling haters
Get a life, seriously.