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Good, Obama can replace him with a radical left winger, and then we won't need to elect Hillary to replace RBG. Not that Hillary would put a left wing judge in place of her, nor even a pro-abortion justice since she couldn't even bring herself to to say the word abortion when the question was put to her.

Reports are they're delaying appointing a new justice until the election cycle is over.

Well there is an important reason to vote Sanders then.

I'm in agreement.

To vote for whoever you think is most likely to win the nomination.

the general election, I mean

The reports I read just say Republicans have vowed to veto anyone Obama nominates, not that Obama has said he won't nominate.

No, that's what the Republicans are suggesting. Not what's going to happen.

I mean, he's going to nominate someone, but there's no way in hell that Obama can get a confirmation.

It's not a question of what Obama wants; it's whether he can (1) convince Mitch McConnell to put it on the agenda (2) convince Lindsey Graham to vote for a suitably qualified liberal judge (3) convince Lamar Alexander, Susan Collins, Lindsey Graham, and some magical fourth Republican to vote for a suitably qualified liberal judge.

Also, Hillary Clinton would 1000% appoint someone who would uphold Roe. Any Democratic President would do so. Please don't be insane.

Hillary is so focused on getting to be president, and then keeping being president that she'll trade anything away. She refused to even talk about abortion or to support in the last debate. If she thinks she has to dump an anti-abortion justice into SCOTUS to keep the Republicans sweet then she will. Hillary Clinton is the perfect example of a self-serving machine politician. Her campaign is based on telling everyone she'll do anything to get into office and anything to keep it, and that she is proud of being the machine. She will not defend RvW if it is more politically advantageous not to, and it will be with all the potential impeachment possibilities she'll have to buy off. Vote Clinton and you'll get a pro-corporate anti-abortioner because that is who she'll be owing to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FECIYlo3KRY

Even if Clinton were an absolutely amoral sociopath, no anti-abortion nomination could even conceivably be beneficial to her.

Please stop being a ridiculous paranoiac. I certainly don't think it's helping Bernie.

The Republicans have nixing abortion as a core party issue. That is to say, an issue they prize above all else, with Hillary out of the WHite House as a close second. Hillary will have keeping Hillary in the White House as her core issue. With all the skeletons in her closet, that means there is ample scope to make a deal on the issue. She can put up a half hearted effort followed by appointing a right wing candidate to this guy and RBG's place in exchange for them dropping their efforts on the latter policy.

In short, horse trading to keep herself in power. Hillary has proven that she will do that, because her plank is "Hillary ought to be president". If you think she won't sell women up the river for that cause then you do not know Hillary Clinton. Vote Sanders or Vote Republican, but don't vote Hillary and expect not to get Republican.

Maintaining abortion is as much a core value for the Democratic Party as nixing it is for the Republicans. Even if she was 100% amoral, trading away abortion would not make sense for her, because it would lose her the support of the Democratic Party.

Also I would point out that - whether or not she said the specific word in a debate - Clinton has been on the record a long, long time about being in favor of abortion. Her husband was in favor of it in the 1990s, she's been in favor of it just as long. Has she been as outspoken about it as we might like? No, but to say that her position on it is unknown, she's absolutely not.

Hillary is not loyal to the Democratic party, that is where you have the problem. The democratic party exists to serve her, as far as she is concerned, once she scores the presidency then there is nothing further they can offer her. That is her goal in and of itself. Plus she is savvy, like I said she'll make a half-hearted attempt at not doing so straight away in order to save face and make it look like she wasn't horse trading, and that will be that. And you people will fall for it, because you cannot conceive of Hillary using the Democrat party for her own ends. You can spot it a mile away in a Republican, but you are blind to a Democrat doing the same thing. That is so damn infuriating.

Even if Hillary were a 100% amoral sociopath who cared about nothing but power she would need the support of the Democratic Party. Nominating someone who was anti-choice would 100% lose her that support. No matter what kind of a front she put up. She still needs to be re-nominated, she still needs Democratic votes in the Senate and House to get anything done. Sure, she'll pander to pick up marginal Republican voters, but that's a completely different thing from totally abandoning the most basic tenets of the party. Because you can pander without losing the support of your own party. But you can't appoint a pro-life Supreme Court nominee and retain the support of the Democratic Party. And if there were such a situation where Hillary had no need of political support from the Democratic Party, what need would she have of support from the Republicans.

Fuck, Bill Clinton - who is literally Hillary's husband, and who spent a huge amount of time trying to triangulate and appeal to Republicans and compromise in the 90s - still nominated Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Stephen Breyer, both of whom have been rock-solid votes on abortion. If it makes so much sense for Hillary to appoint pro-life nominees, how the hell did Bill manage to avoid it? Like, literally the only reason that Hillary would nominate a pro-life candidate is if she was being evil for the sake of being evil, like a fucking Captain Planet villain or something. That's not how human beings work. Even fucking politicians. It is fucking insane.

Bullshit. Hillary could and would nominate and anti-abortionite and all you die hards would do was just through abortion on the pile of things to ignore and still call her a lesser evil. You'd grumble but still insist we support her, because that is what you've been doing all along. I for one am fed up ignoring her sins.

Please stop being a ridiculous paranoiac. I certainly don't think it's helping Bernie.

I would like to paint this on a colorful banner.

I don't think they really care about Bernie being Prez. It is all about keeping HRC out. If they can dispirit or shut down a few potential HRC voters then it is all good, especially if the Trump-GOP voters turn out like they are expected to do to keep her out. They are generally rich enough and insulated enough that they see having a few more years of GOP Presidency or GOP SCOTUS as just being a stepping stone to their greater good.

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