[ SECRET POST #3431 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3431 ⌋

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[J.R.R. Tolkien's The Silmarillion]


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[Wil Wheaton]


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[Mughal-E-Azam]


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Comments

Re: Controversial Opinions/Thoughts

[(Anonymous)]

Giving everyone the chance of earning a basic, livable, wage, is great. Ensuring good living conditions for people who can't is also good.

But wages for just existing? Without doing anything at all? Yeah, no.

Re: Controversial Opinions/Thoughts

[(Anonymous)]

Why not?

Re: Controversial Opinions/Thoughts

[(Anonymous)]

The main reason: there's no way to ensure enough people will work to produce the "minimum necessary" of goods to keep the rest of the people who doesn't want to work.

There's also the abuse such a system could cause. So children get a wage? Do their guardians receive it for them? Can we ensure that it goes to the benefit of them, instead of adults enjoying the perks while the children don't (that, btw, is already an issue in many parts of the world, because instead of "wages" there are resources for certain groups that never reach those groups).

Among others. It just doesn't work in the real world and any attempt would create more harm than good.

Re: Controversial Opinions/Thoughts

[(Anonymous)]

I would make it so you have to be 18 to get anything. Otherwise you'd have people bearing children and keeping them in cages.

Re: Controversial Opinions/Thoughts

[(Anonymous)]

So people who have children would be forced to work to maintain them?

After all their living wage wouldn't take into consideration their children, so they wouldn't be able to abuse the system (good), but the system wouldn't provide as promised (a basic, livable, wage for just existing) and leaves children unprovided for unless their parents care for them... or unless children work until they are considered as "existing" to get the basic wage, which is rather creepy.

Either way, the system falls apart or lead humans into extinction.

And that's without touching the lack of production, which you decided to not mention at all!

Re: Controversial Opinions/Thoughts

[diet_poison]

What specifically do you want people to do? It's impossible to find a job for literally everyone.

Re: Controversial Opinions/Thoughts

[(Anonymous)]

Is it really impossible or is it impossible under the current system?

The obsession of amassing capital for the sake of amassing capital is pretty much the core of the problem, as it's the source of the growing inequality.

Creating new works could be easy with shorter work shifts and more work division.

If people could get a living wage in such situation and current overall productivity could be maintained without raising prices, it wouldn't be impossible for most people to have better life quality.

Maybe bigger improvements could be possible in the long run, as long as we
moved with the aim of decreasing inequality by putting capital into work and using that as a way to distribute it instead of having a top 1% having most of it and trying to increase it by cutting costs (by paying workers less) and increasing profits (by having customers paying more).

(I'm half sleep so maybe I'm not explaining this all well, but... well, I tried? And I'm aware things are complex and what I'm saying is an oversimplification of one of many possible ways of decreasing inequality)

Re: Controversial Opinions/Thoughts

[diet_poison]

I agree with a lot of this. Capitalism isn't a good system, at least not pure capitalism.

How do you think we could go about guaranteeing a job for everybody? I'm not really sure what you mean by "Creating new works could be easy with shorter work shifts and more work division" but maybe like a New Deal-esque thing? I don't think that would last indefinitely. It'd be really nice if we COULD guarantee (decent) employment for every adult citizen, though.

Re: Controversial Opinions/Thoughts

[ketita]

I think what they may be suggesting is something like, if the amount of money people made was adjusted so you could live off of it, and instead of people working 10 hour shifts, you'd have two people working 5 hour shifts. Thus, the baseline of productivity necessary to keep things running is maintained, more people can work, and everybody makes enough money to live.

Of course, making this actually work irl....

Re: Controversial Opinions/Thoughts

[diet_poison]

So basically looking at the amount of work that exists and dividing it equally among everyone?

yeah, that seems really really hard to actually do...

Re: Controversial Opinions/Thoughts

[ketita]

Well, I mean, when that was called Communism it didn't work particularly well.
But I agree that today we're looking at a situation where we have quite a bit of surplus, but we're still stuck in the idea that people have to work really hard just to make a living, and at the same time, throw a lot of stuff away. This system is not very good. People should not be starving when food is being left to rot because it's not "worth selling".

Re: Controversial Opinions/Thoughts

[diet_poison]

Agreed.