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[ SECRET POST #3469 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3469 ⌋

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But there is a psychological difference between what Drogo is and what Ramsey is. Drogo is a warrior whose culture is okay with raping/murdering/pillaging the "other" who can also form close and loving bonds within his own group. Ramsey is a psychopath with anti-social personality disorder. He can't form bonds with others at all, even his family.

All I'm seeing is that they are both violent murderers who enjoy rape and torture. I hardly think their victims care much in whether or not they are capable of forming meaningful emotional bonds.

I hardly think their victims care much in whether or not they are capable of forming meaningful emotional bonds.

But we are not talking about their victims. We are talking about their SOs/family. You are making a completely different argument from the one the thread is about.

The point is, both men are disgusting and horrible, and if we're in it for "healthy" relationships, I fail to see how one is morally superior to the other. Both are fucked up.

It's not about moral superiority at all, that is NOT the argument being made. You can be a horrible person and still be capable of forming a loving relationship with someone. Dany and Drogo DID love each other; though I certainly wouldn't call their relationship healthy, that's not the point that's being argued. (You quoted the word "healthy"; did I say that or someone else?) Drogo was capable of feeling love because he was not a psychopath. That is the point.

All I'm seeing is

I respect that you acknowledge that the malfunction is at your end. That's more than a lot of people can do. I wish you the best of luck in learning to understand things better, and I hope one day you can look back on this post and go "It was true... that was all I could see back then" and feel a swell of pride at how much you've grown.

lmao the scary thing is it seems you actually think Drogo is an okay dude because his ~culture~ says the atrocities he commits are okay. GoT fans are cray.

lmao the scary thing is it seems you actually think Drogo is an okay dude because his ~culture~ says the atrocities he commits are okay. GoT fans are cray.

Cause cultural moral relativism is a GoT fandom phenomenon. /eyeroll

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Drogo is acting in the way that his culture had socialised him to act. His behaviour is acceptable in his culture. Of course this doesn't make his behaviour acceptable to our moral standards but it does mean that in his own context his behaviour is normal and he would not be considered to have any kind of mental illness.

Ramsey's is not. People in Ramsey's society think his behaviour is utterly and comprehensively wrong. In his context he would be considered to have something wrong with him mentally.

I think that's all they're saying.

Why in the hell are you even watching GoT lmao

I wouldn't bother arguing, AYRT wants to see things their way and isn't going to be convinced.

These aren't people you want to argue nuance with.

Yeah, doesn't seem a point. Nuance is too hard of a concept for them.

lol at you and ayrt

He loved Theon in his way.

No. He possessed Theon and enjoyed torturing a possession.

Ha! No.

Thramsay fans, I swear to god.

whose culture is okay with raping/murdering/pillaging the "other"

So he's basically like the Syrian refugees then?

uhh p. sure the Syrian refugees are fleeing exactly that kind of thing because they don't like it or want to join up with the people who are doing it

Oh yeah, they're angels. Sweden isn't the rape capital of Europe. Cologne didn't happen. Nothing to see here, move along.

Oh, it's you. I see you've moved on from trolling FFA!

According to people less stupid than you, Sweden's rape statistics have nothing whatsoever to do with refugees.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/swedens-rape-crisis-isnt-what-it-seems/article30019623/

I trust that now that you know better, you'll stop repeating that irrelevant canard.

Nobody likes you or is interested in the game you're trying and failing to play. The things you can't help thinking about yourself at three in the morning are all 100% true.

I'm sorry reality is so inconvenient to your narrative.