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Introversion

[(Anonymous)]

The definition or "introversion," from an online dictionary:

"the state of or tendency toward being wholly or predominantly concerned with and interested in one's own mental life"

In other words, people who make dumb memes, the definition is NOT "hates all social interaction and wants to spend all of one's time at home, wrapped in blankets watching TV."

(Seriously, where did the blanket stereotype come from anyway? Is introversion supposed to make people cold?)

Re: Introversion

[(Anonymous)]

Comparing the definition of introversion to some of the traits of an introvert, is like comparing the definition of crime to what compares to the common stereotype of a criminal (there are better analogies for this).

Re: Introversion

[(Anonymous)]

I think some people, when they're depressed or feeling sad, like to curl themselves up and cover themselves with blankets. It's a comforting somatic sensation. So it's confusing introversion with sadness and depression.

Or maybe introverts just like to be comfy. Nothing wrong with that.

Personally, I am introverted, but I also deal with depression and anxiety, so the upshot is that I don't have to worry too much about the accuracy of the definitions.

Re: Introversion

[kallanda_lee]

I do have the "nesting" instinct. But yeah, I'm also introverted/anxious/depressed.

Re: Introversion

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sure there are extroverts who like to be comfy, too.

I think my problem is that people keep using the term "introvert" when they seem to mean "social anxiety" or "agoraphobia."

Like I would consider myself introverted. I tend to be inwardly-focused, I enjoy being alone and while I like being around people sometimes, after a while I just get tired of it and have to be by myself for a while. I don't like partying or social situations where I have to shmooze with a bunch of people I wouldn't otherwise be interested it.

But that doesn't make me a shut-in who watches TV constantly! In fact, I do like to spend time outdoors, though not necessarily with people, but the memes make it sound like I shouldn't ever leave the house unless it's necessary because there's a slight chance someone might say "hi" when I pass them. And that is more like social anxiety than introversion.

Re: Introversion

[diet_poison]

This. I think most people like curling up alone in a comfortable place, with varying frequencies

Re: Introversion

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who definitely veers on being introverted (I've independently earned the nickname "space cadet" from multiple people...) the pop obsession with "introversion" and "personalities" are hilarious. Whether it's introversion or that damned Meyers-Briggs test, it's ridiculous self-diagnosis specialness.

Not to mention, most people are both extroverted and introverted, depending on who they are with or what the situation is or how much caffeine they've had.

Re: Introversion

[(Anonymous)]

It's not self diagnosis specialness unless you make it self diagnosis specialness.

The thing with MBTI is that, like. Some people take it was too seriously and assign too much validity to it and are weird ass special snowflakes about it, yes. That does not mean that it has zero validity. The one does not follow from the other. In my view, its a very imperfect tool for measuring personality, but it does measure real aspects of personality.

Introversion is a perfect example. Are people black-and-white introverts and extroverts? No. But people do vary along that axis - being variously more or less introverted or extroverted - and it's not absurd to talk about that.

In closing, we should probably move over to Big 5 personality traits, which are better arranged and at least marginally experimentally validated and naturally work in a less black and white way. But everyone is more familiar with MBTI and it's probably 80% the same thing anyway so fuck it.

Re: Introversion

[case]

"I LOVE PARTIES PARTIES AND COCAINE ALL THE TIME what are inhibitions?" view those people have of extroverts is pretty bad too.

Re: Introversion

[lb_lee]

I know, right? What's with that? It acts like extroverts and introverts can't get along for more than five minutes!

Re: Introversion

[sarillia]

Yup. Over the last few years I've come to the conclusion that I'm more extroverted than I thought when my social anxiety isn't getting in the way because I don't do well if I spend too much time alone without being with other people. That mix of extroversion and social anxiety seems to confuse people because of the shallow stereotypes about introverts and extroverts. Mostly I wish people would just let go of taking the whole thing so seriously though. I think about this because I like navel-gazing. It's got nothing to do with how I approach other people.

Re: Introversion

[(Anonymous)]

All introverts are agoraphobes and all extroverts are in constant manic states. Those are the only two types of people in this world

Re: Introversion

[diet_poison]

+1000 thank you :)

Re: Introversion

[(Anonymous)]

I...would not trust that online dictionary? I've always understood -- and seen people reference it seriously -- as being drained by social interaction more than most and *requiring* alone time to recharge.

This definition of yours sounds more like "I care more about being up in my own head than I do with anything or anyone else!"

Re: Introversion

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I agree with this. I say I'm introverted, and that's exactly it.

There's also a difference between being an introvert and being an asshole. I've known people I thought were just shy, but attempted interaction showed nope, they were just unpleasant people who didn't want to talk to anyone they didn't "approve" of.

Re: Introversion

[diet_poison]

+2

Re: Introversion

[(Anonymous)]

It's a joke. You know how jokes work right? You exaggerate.

Re: Introversion

[(Anonymous)]

I fear your faith in humanity is far too high if you think none of these people are taking it seriously.

Re: Introversion

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt but what in the world is a joke? I think you don't know what jokes are, or you post all of this "take care of your introverts! :]" rubbish too.

Re: Introversion

[herpymcderp]

Cite your sources, show your work.

That might be the definition from some obscure online dictionary, but it's not the definition used in psychology. The terms "introvert" and "extrovert" are complex ideas that can't really be boiled down to either of the things you're listing here.

Re: Introversion

[(Anonymous)]

Nayrt but the concept isn't hard or complex at all.

"Introverted" means in the head, "extroverted" means out of the head. They aren't complex psychological frameworks, they are words used just like "imaginative" or "compulsive" or "sociable".

The term "an introvert" isn't exactly a fair term, neither is "an extrovert", because that boils a person down to a single personality trait. But using them as descriptors is not a complex thing in psychology. (and they aren't really diagnoses anyway, so it's not like you'll find this in the DSM or something)

Re: Introversion

[dethtoll]

I googled the phrase and it's Merriam-Webster...

Re: Introversion

[(Anonymous)]

What are the definitions used in psychology?

Re: Introversion

[(Anonymous)]

It's also extraverted, not extroverted (I know, I know, extroverted is also correct, but only because people have been saying it wrong all this time that it was declared correct).

Re: Introversion

[diet_poison]

What online dictionary? That is not any definition I have ever seen. Of course, I have also never seen a definition of introversion that involves hating all social interaction (that would be antisocial and not actually healthy).

my general understanding is introversion refers to needing a higher percentage of alone time vs. social time than extroversion and vice-versa for mental/emotional health. Additionally there are correlations with things like preferring small groups to crowds, but that's not always going to be true

(for the record, I am an extrovert, but dislike any definition of extroversion that is basically synonymous with "outgoingness" and/or "party animal". no, that is not what that word means)