[ SECRET POST #3716 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3716 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

I also don't get the "ruined my childhood" thing but I will say that something new can definitely color your memories. I've had new things irrevocably change my perspective on old favorites so that I cannot enjoy them any more.

[(Anonymous)]

same.

Finding out something unsavory or appalling about an actor or author has at times soured my ability to enjoy things they were involved in.

[(Anonymous)]

I never really understood the "childhood is ruined" thing, either. Whatever the thing is, it still exists (usually). Someone can make a crappy adaptation of a book I loved as a kid, but the book still exists (I'll be mad that they wasted the opportunity to make a GOOD adaptation, though), so the movie won't ruin the book for me or ruin my memories of it.

[(Anonymous)]

"It didn't ruin MY childhood memories, so yours must be fine, too!"

[(Anonymous)]

but how precisely does it ruin your childhood memories

[(Anonymous)]

"Justify your feelings to me or I'm not going to believe you actually have them"

[(Anonymous)]

As opposed to what the kind of people who bitch about ruined childhoods are saying:

"I was a big fan of this as a kid and feel ownership over it and therefore my opinions count more than yours, or even those of the person/people who originally made it."

"No one (except maybe me) is allowed to touch this thing I loved as a kid because I feel like it's mine when it really isn't. Only I understand it."

"You are a terrible person for being entertained by something that does not agree with my precious childhood memories of the earlier version."

"Clearly you didn't really love this thing that much and I will talk over you now."

[kallanda_lee]

I don't really get it, though I might say it in jest.

that being said, I don't want to dictate anyone else's experience of something. For them, it might actually affect a memory of something they were fond of.

[(Anonymous)]

/shrug I don't mind because most people who say that are joking or just enjoy a slightly hyperbolic rant. No need to take them seriously, IMO.

[(Anonymous)]

I can get "childhood ruining" if it's about something that's external to the work - like if it came out that Bill Nye was a bank robber or something - but I really don't understand how remakes or sequels can ruin something.

It's like James Cain said about his books - Hollywood adaptations didn't do anything to his books, they were still right there on the shelf. It's damn silly.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, this. I can totally get how your childhood could be ruined by, for example, finding out about Bill Cosby if you were a big fan of The Cosby Show as a kid, because that forever taints your view of the work looking back at it. But a remake or a sequel? That doesn't alter the originals in any way. They're still exactly the same as they were when you were a kid.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you've put that well, and it makes sense.

But let me add something, just a little personal experience. It didn't make me run around screaming "Childhood Ruined!" but it was upsetting on several levels.

This was Back In The Day, before I got super into fandoms, before A03, etc. I loved the movie Iron Giant. Loved it! Made me cry every time, and I couldn't get enough of it. (I've been thinking about it because I just saw it's on Netflix so I'll be rewatching it soon for the first time in years!).

Anyway one day, somehow, I ended up on Fanfiction.com and looked up to see what people were writing about Iron Giant. And I swear what little there was mostly involved shipping the underage boy with his older male role model in the movie. (I don't remember any character names, it's been too long.) The kid is like 12? It freaked me out. I backed out of that "fandom" hard!

There are other instances I've run across, explicit porn with underage characters from children's TV, etc. These days I'm not as shocked, I suppose, and I do like some Voltron pairings, so I'm not totally against shipping cartoons/youngish characters. But there are just some pairings, man. They can really mess with your head and ruin your innocence at a certain age.

Another instance was when I got into Heroes and decided to see what people were talking about online about the show. It seemed to be mostly porn with Claire and her uncle. So...again, I was creeped out.

I don't think remakes can "ruin" anything, not really, just get annoying sometimes. But porn and twisted pairings for me, can come close.

[(Anonymous)]

My childhood doesn't get ruined by bad remakes/adaptations/etc., but it DOES get ruined by r34/fetish art. I have seen some nasty shit that required eye bleach involving childhood media.

[nightscale]

Yeah this isn't something that bothers me either, but we've all got our different tolerances for stuff like that I guess.

[ketita]

I always felt it from a slightly different angle: it's the fact that now, to many people, your "childhood thing" is no longer "the thing".
I feel that a lot regarding The Wizard of Oz. I grew up on the books, and to me, the books are the definitive version. And then I see all the people to whom the film is the definitive version - or worse, Wicked. And that's just *not*
The Wizard of Oz. I've encountered a lot of people who never read the original, or who don't even know that there are differences. So it's kind of disappointing.

Certain adaptations of works can, for whatever reason, "drown out" the originals. I'm still sad to think that maybe because of the horrible travesty that the nonexistent it doesn't exist Dark is Rising film was, there are people who will now never try the books, and the books will never get a decent adaptation.

It's not just about ruining the childhood, to me. It's about how The Thing You Love is no longer The Thing, but has been supplanted by this other thing.

[sarillia]

I get how that's frustrating but I don't think that happens as often as people think it will. A movie is announced based on a beloved childhood show and people immediately shout that their childhood is ruined, and then the movie is quickly forgotten after it comes out. That seems like the more common scenario to me.

I'm trying to think of what it was that someone complained to me "now when people think of ______, it's the new one they're thinking of" and I went "really? that's news to me". This is really bugging me now, that I can't remember.

[randomdrops]

I never once thought this phrase was being used literally. Huh.

I don't go shouting about my ruined childhood, but I do not agree at all.

[(Anonymous)]

It can change the original, if you accept it as canon and it gives more background information about the original. And it absolutely can color my memories of a thing, sometimes in a good way, sometimes in a bad way. Darth Vader isn't as imposing, Marian Blackwood keeps a pretty big secret (I don't blame her, but I watch the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark a little differently), Doc Brown is more likable and sympathetic, Danny Ocean and Rusty Ryan aren't as cool. Sometimes, I can separate things (there was just Alien and its sequel Aliens, there were no other films with the alien), but sometimes I can't. And really, sequels should cause you to look at things a little differently, they are intended to add more to the canon, they are supposed to enhance it, but all too often, don't. Remakes are different, but they can overlay memories of the original in weird ways.

Re: I don't go shouting about my ruined childhood, but I do not agree at all.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm good at ignoring the stuff I don't like, but it does make me kind of sad sometimes to realize that my memories of a beloved franchise no longer line up with what's really there.

It's the fandom equivalent of the woods behind the neighbors' house being turned into a playground and skatepark. They're a very nice playground and skatepark, but I miss the clubhouse in the woods.

[(Anonymous)]

Most of the ruined childhood stuff is obnoxious, but at the same time I understand sometimes getting frustrated.

I stopped liking Doctor Who because I liked 9 and 10, I liked some of the classic Doctors, I just didn't enjoy 11 and people Would. Not. Let. It. Go. Every time Doctor Who came up and I'd be asked about my opinion on the new stuff I'd politely go "I'm not very fond of the newer stuff so I haven't watched" and you'd think I'd said I sent a dick pic to their mother.

A friend had a Don't Blink t-shirt she had to stop wearing because of all the "Well Actually, if you look at a weeping angel and don't blink the reflection in your eye causes you to become an angel too so that's not right anymore." lectures she got

Basically. New Thing can't take my memories of enjoying the old thing, but damn are Fans Of New Thing capable of sucking out all enjoyment.

[(Anonymous)]

I know what you mean. I like Doctor Who, but these last couple of seasons.... Eesh. And the stuff that used to be obnoxious fanwank, and just plain wank material, being canon now. It does affect how I view the old stuff, it does diminish it. I just walked away from DW fandom and turned off the tv set though. No point screaming about it.

[arcadiaego]

Conversely the abuse I have gotten for still enjoying Doctor Who from 10 fans (and yes, I know it's not all 10 fans!) makes me resent the RTD era, which I'm really sad about, because I loved 9. That's not the show's fault, it's just a really small minority of people being dickheads, but it does colour things for me. I'm almost *too* good at ignoring canon I don't like (e.g. I happen to really like Alien 3 but I literally just pretend it's somehow completely unconnected to anything else and therefore Newt is fine) but fandom can end up spoiling things for me. Probably in 10 years I'll have completely forgotten about it and enjoy all Who again though.

[(Anonymous)]

Remakes don't bother me - terrible sequels/prequels that you're supposed to take seriously do. When a character or characters you love get re-effin'-diculous backstories or continuations of their story lines it can retroactively make them... well, worse. And sour the memory of the joy you once had from those original works, because now you cannot think of those without also remembering the terrible thing that was done to them.

[arcadiaego]

I briefly felt like that when I saw Crystal Skull, but for like...15 minutes. Then I saw the South Park take on it and I realised I never wanted to be that dumb. Apart from that to be honest I usually just feel smug that the original thing I liked was better.