[ SECRET POST #3732 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3732 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Why are you guys ignoring actual LGBT stories written by actual LGBT authors and choose to focus on the one show created by straight women aimed to straight women?

I still can't believe that no one is translating Sorairo Flutter for instance. As far as I know it's the first shonen manga written by a gay author about a gay love story. Published in a shonen magazine. It's the first time something like this happens, it's making history, and everyone is ignoring it. I know some of the people who claim to care that much about LGBT representation in the YOI fandom know Japanese, I wish they would focus on the actual LGBT story instead.

[(Anonymous)]

How do you know they are ignoring those stories?
And there is still a difference between a niche publication very few people read, even in Japan, and a fairly popular anime release.

[(Anonymous)]

YOI has thousands of fans. Those LGBT stories by LGBT authors, not so much. It's pretty obvious that there are lots of people who claims to watch YOI for the LGBT representation are ignoring the LGBT stories by LGBT authors.

[(Anonymous)]

Or, or... YOI is much more accessible and in your face exposure wise than those other stories?

And honestly, I have no idea the sexuality of 99% of the authors I read.

[(Anonymous)]

Hourou Musuko or Aoi Hanada are pretty accessible (you can watch or downloaded them anywhere) and almost nobody watched it.

[(Anonymous)]

After googling both, I honestly might watch Hourou Musuko, but probably wouldn't watch Aoi Hanada. Mostly because I really don't enjoy slice of life type anime/manga, regardless of the romantic pairings. It's just so boring to me.

With YOI the relationship seemed less incidental to the plot. Like, if something like Prince of Tennis or Ao no Exorcist or something had canon gay (regardless of the sexuality of the writer) I'd be more likely to watch something like that, if it was incidental to everything else going on.

Big Serious Drama just honestly isn't my thing, though I obviously don't speak for everyone.

[(Anonymous)]

Is Horou Musuko not a lesbian manga? Not that I do not read those as I love anything with explicitly gay and lesbian characters but would not compare that to Yuri on Ice. However, would say there are same on the level of boring me but first one was due to being about kids and liked only one manga about kids: class 5-11. Shin-chan and Detective Conan as well but they are not very queer (Kaitou Kid somewhat is but that is up for interpretation).

[(Anonymous)]

And yet both are pretty well known.

Aoi hana (HANA, not hanada) is pretty good, Hourou Musuko ended rather disappointingly tho.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

There were a bunch of lesbian relationships happening in series during the same season that YOI aired but you never would have known it because all you heard about was YOI. The only reason I found out about it is because I'm friends with a lesbian who eats up every bit of lesbian representation she can find. One of them looked really cute too, there was a soft butch girl with a femme. I was impressed when she showed me pictures. I wish I could remember the name.

[(Anonymous)]

oh shuuut the fuuuuck uuuup. most of the people who like yuri on ice are fucking gay themselves.

[(Anonymous)]

You wish. Most fans are fujoshi. I'm sorry (and I'm being honest here, I think it sucks) but there are not enough LGBT fans to make something as popular as YOI is. This is the reason why yuri and bara are so niche but BL and fujoshi pandering shows are huge.

[(Anonymous)]

you realize you can be gay and be a fujoshi right

[(Anonymous)]

That does sound interesting, anon. But you seem to be seeking out conflict between the two unnecessarily. I'm sure most of us would be interested if we knew about and could read or watch it.

[(Anonymous)]

No one is translating it because it's a very recent manga from a not well known author? Give it some time, and maybe a dedicate fan (or a company willing to get the distribution rights in English) will change that.

(That being said, this is the first time I heard about it and you're not making me want to read it.
Hint: if you want people to give it a chance, talk about what it is about instead of sealing it like as a chance to get brownie points.

[(Anonymous)]

NA

Hint: if you want people to give it a chance, talk about what it is about instead of sealing it like as a chance to get brownie points.

That's literally the whole point of the argument for YOI. I have no issue with people liking YOI, but stop pretending it's actual groundbreaking LGBT representation and using it for "brownie points" instead of admitting more of the same dumb "uwuuuu they touch each other a lot and stare lovingly at one another" subtexty crap that's been forced down LGBT fan's throats for years at this point.

People can talk until they're blue in the face about how it's super groundbreaking (while pretending NO.6 didn't come first and didn't actually seal the fucking deal) but it's pretty telling that the "gay ice skating anime" had very little explicit (not sexual, textual) gay in it. The cut-away kiss shots, the purposeful coyness regarding calling their relationship what it is, etc. Apparently it's possible to write a story in which being gay is no different from being straight...and then they forget the actual gayness. Maybe the director wants to pretend she's made a LGBT utopia, but for a lot of fans it just felt like a hand-wave of the issues (especially for many Russian LGBT fans who I've spoken to who feel like Viktor was a real slap in the face while they fight to be seen as worthy of human rights, something many of them are afraid won't happen in their lifetimes, Viktor was less "fun escape" and more "soul-crushing reminder that this will NEVER be their reality"), combined with still pulling the stupid coy shit that straight couples in anime aren't subjected to with anywhere near the same regularity that LGBT characters are.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, what a warm and fuzzy ice skating anime needed was Victor to be the victim of a homophobic mob attack and for Yuri to be raped and murdered in the street. That indeed would have made it a better anime, because gayness is solely defined by being violently oppressed.

just lmao. you don't speak for LGBT crowds, no matter how many personal anecdotes you claim to have.

[(Anonymous)]

Because that is exactly what I said. I said Viktor needed to be attacked and Yuuri to be raped and murdered in the street.

There's a whooooooooooooooooole big swath of land between "gratuitous LGBT sadporn" and "let the straight lady just handwave away LGBT issues entirely while also failing to represent us". What is it with the hyperbole? Do you think your argument gets any less stupid if you can pretend I said that I wanted a gang rape and murder shoved into the plot?

I am LGBT sweetheart. I can speak for myself and LGBT people who hold these same opinions just fine. Valid criticisms don't magically not exist just because you're sad your pet anime is being criticized.

Also they're not "personal anecdotes", you can find Japanese LGBT fans talking about this shit yourself if you'd like. You can also find plenty of English speaking LGBT fans pissed off about this. Just follow the trail of screeching, coronary-having YOI fans because y'all come out in droves the moment someone levels even mild criticism against this anime.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

First: swathe. You learn in kindergarten that the E on the end makes the vowel in the middle long.

Second: She didn't want to make a realistic anime. She wanted a happy anime. Something that would lift people's spirits, something where who you loved didn't matter (jesus, look at Michele) because love was something to rejoice in, no matter the form it came in. Get your sadfix elsewhere.

Also: being LGBT doesn't make you right. There are far more LGBT fans supporting the show than not supporting it, so not sure where you're going with that.

NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Without any horse in the actual secret debate, I just googled Sorairo Flutter and maybe there isn't as much talk about it because I couldn't find anything more than the premise (which is interesting and something I would totally read) but no scans or translations or even anything to indicate it will be available to buy in English.

As bad as it sounds, it's hard for people to get into something if they don't have a way of reading it in their native language (unless they're also relatively fluent or able in the language it's printed in).

[(Anonymous)]

Preach. I see some fangirls getting annoyed that they are being called out for their fake and shallow "support".

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, how dare they enjoy something that's popular. Ugh. I mean, how dare they not want to go searching for niche writing that's harder to find.

[(Anonymous)]

It's only niche because no one really cares about it. Look at Kemono Friends, it was as niche as it gets when the show started but people actually liked it and by word of mouth it became more and more popular and right now is the most popular anime of the season.

[(Anonymous)]

omg get over it.

Signed, a gay person

[(Anonymous)]

just googled Sorairo Flutter and I don't wanna read about fat gays

[(Anonymous)]

That's the webmanga, main guy doesn't look fat in the manga remake

http://www.jp.square-enix.com/magazine/joker/browse/m/sorairo_f_01/