[ SECRET POST #3768 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3768 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Goodbye to Halos]


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[Great British Bake Off]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #538.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - I am not sure if this is a troll or not ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

09. http://i.imgur.com/a3YbJXS.png

[(Anonymous)]

And yet you'd believe trees could have souls in fantasy, the second it becomes metal it's unconvincing.

Surprise: humans are very advanced, organic robots!

[(Anonymous)]

How does your argument make sense? If we're talking organic vs. artificial life, of course it's easier to believe a tree has a "soul" (for whatever that means) than an AIM bot. And why are you calling humans robots, if robot by definition indicates artificiality?

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

I don't know what AYRT meant exactly, and I don't want to get pulled into arguing about the specific language they used, but it seems to me that - unless you have some kind of dualist concept of the world - it's quite hard to draw a line that distinguishes human consciousness and "spirit" from a theoretical robotic consciousness. Both of them are basically going to be, on some level, gestalts arising out of the interaction of thousands of discrete complex parts and subsystems. that's basically the materialist understanding of consciousness, and it seems like it would equally apply to robots. So I think something of that is what OP is driving at - from the point of view of consciousness, it doesn't massively make a different whether its components are biological or whether they're silicon. And therefore, any argument you would make that robots are soulless would seem to apply equally to human beings.

[(Anonymous)]

This is my favourite weird assumption, genuine truth too

[(Anonymous)]

You try jump starting one whose batteries have ran out though and suddenly you are a graverobber and monster creator.

[feotakahari]

Assuming humans are capable of understanding where consciousness comes from, I don't see any obvious reason we couldn't create a device that models it, just like we can create artificial devices that modulate or restore the natural pumping of blood through the body. I am skeptical that we could accomplish it by accident or random chance, though.

Edit: this might also be to your interest. http://hell.pl/szymon/Baen/The%20Baltic%20War/The%20Cold%20Equations/0743436016__12.htm

[nanslice]

what is this picture from?

[(Anonymous)]

The visual novel Dramatical Murder. There have been a few other secrets about it lately, and I'm wondering if they're all the same person...

[nanslice]

Oooh, I thought the art looked familiar. Thanks!

No.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm the OP for one of the DM secrets, and I definitely didn't make this one. I'm a dirty dirty robot fucker and I'd bang an android/robot/cyborg faster than you could blink.

(Oddly enough I didn't like Clear though.)

[(Anonymous)]

I've made a DM secret but not others. so it's multiple people.

/team Koujaku

[(Anonymous)]

Dramatical Murder. It's from Clear's route.

[nanslice]

Thanks! It looked familiar but I couldn't place it - I only played Koujaku's route.

[(Anonymous)]

It reminded me of Night from Absolute Boyfriend. But of course it's some other Weird Japanese Thing.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, that's weird? Even if you don't believe it's possible in real life, if a story portrays a robot as having a soul, what's stopping it from being true within the story? Do you have trouble disconnecting fiction from reality in general or is it just this?

[(Anonymous)]

It's true that the narrative is more or less god in this situation. If the narrative says the robot has a soul, there's not really much point arguing about it. It's not really about real life, just the laws of the narrative's particular universe. On the other hand, one isn't obligated to be convinced or immediately be able to empathize with it, either.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, it's completely ignoring that humans function similarly to robots. We're just electric impulses. Our nerves are wires, basically, and our brain is a computer. The only difference is, in real life, robotics hasn't advanced as far as it would need to yet.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd rather consume media about robots than the typical modern day or fantasy stuff that's prevalent nowadays. Robots and similar beings (androids/cyborgs/etc) are so much more interesting to me than typical "real people" drama. Call me weird, but that's just what floats my boat.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, each to their own. Personally I love the whole robot-with-a-soul trope and it always ALWAYS gets to me. I'll take the robots of your hands~

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, I feel the same exact way. I literally could have made this secret.

[tcex28]

Yeah spoilers OP your consciousness is just a very, very complex set of processes. Your emotions are signals generated by the system that is your body, and your brain is wired to associate them with desirable/undesirable. If at some point we become able to design a sufficiently complex and self-aware computer to experience the equivalent of emotions (i.e. not just signs that we read as emotions, but states of function that it associates with desirable/undesirable), it will experience emotions.

This isn't some magic thing that would inherently occur to any machine consciousness, emotions would have to be meticulously programmed in - which is my own personal annoyance with certain android stories - but to suggest it could never happen is to ascribe artificial value to biological-ness. We are piles of atoms.

[(Anonymous)]

You have literally no idea if a computer can be "self-aware" and "experience emotions". No matter how complex a computer is, it's still just a computer. A computer acting according to to "emotional" programming isn't suddenly sentient.

[illiadandoddity]

What's a human but a very complex, organic machine? The human brain may be one of the most complex systems we know of, but it's still a system, and that line of "what defines consciousness? When does something count as alive?" is a complex and interesting question, which is why it keeps getting milked by sci-fi writers.

[digitalghosts]

Interesting thread xD. Had this conversation with mum's bf recently, however we pondered autonomy of current computers as he believes humans are just organic scripts (yes, software dev). The context was him wondering if we can blame such an organic system for doing what it was programmed to do. I said that it depends on intent and control one would have.

In other words - I would say opposite to you OP. Robots of the future might be able to reach independent levels. Nope, would not say they would be humans as their evolution and operating patterns might vary. If you add soul to equation - to me it is a form of energy and possibly not inside any machine at the moment as it might not be compatible yet.

The beauty of this is that we do not know (how would sci fi androids operate or what is soul) but might come closer to answer within 100 years.