[ SECRET POST #3827 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3827 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Teen Wolf, Derek Hale]


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[Sidney Crosby/Evgeni Malkin, NHL]


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(James I, Reign)


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[Joss Whedon's leaked Wonder Woman script]


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[Tara Strong]


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[LissySandwich/Bowlingotter]


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[Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid]


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[Legend of the Seeker]


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[Grimm]








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Comments

Re: Is there a topic you don't bring up on fs because of how controversial your opinion is?

[soldatsasha]

Not really?

I guess I don't talk about capitalism much. I have too much first- and second-hand experience of communism / socialized systems and true economic collapse. It's very popular currently among liberals to be extremely anti-capitalist and I am... definitely not that. Any time people start going on about it I want to shake them and be like "look at Venezuela, look at Russia, you think that's BETTER than the U.S.??!?!" So, I try to stay out of it.

Same with... anything to do with children's health and well-being. It's a bit of a berserk button.

Re: Is there a topic you don't bring up on fs because of how controversial your opinion is?

[(Anonymous)]

Let me just look at Scandinavia first. Once you get out on the extremes of any movement it all breaks down, whether that is American style capitalism or Venezuelan style corruption.

Re: Is there a topic you don't bring up on fs because of how controversial your opinion is?

[ibbity]

Scandinavia is not communist

Re: Is there a topic you don't bring up on fs because of how controversial your opinion is?

[(Anonymous)]

soldatsasha said "communism / socialized systems" which seems to be cutting a very wide swath. But if you want to argue that Scandinavia is not a socialized system, go ahead.

Re: Is there a topic you don't bring up on fs because of how controversial your opinion is?

[diet_poison]

I think that's kind of the point, they're socialist and socialism isn't an extreme

Re: Is there a topic you don't bring up on fs because of how controversial your opinion is?

[soldatsasha]

Yeah, no shit, that's my point. I've seen many people who think capitalism needs to be demolished completely. Generally the same people who know vague things about economics and buzzwords like 'universal living wage' and 'post-scarcity', and they don't understand the huge gulf that exists between our world and their fictional utopia.

Currently, American style capitalism is failing. But for the most part it's a gradual failing. The problems of it are not so different than any other system. Calling to dismantle it doesn't actually address those problems, it just adds a bunch of new ones that are often way worse. There has to be a balance.

Re: Is there a topic you don't bring up on fs because of how controversial your opinion is?

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's in the way you worded your post. You seem to be saying "anti-capitalist" meaning "extreme pro communism" when those aren't the same thing. You could be totally anti- the current American system while being for a social democracy, for example.

Re: Is there a topic you don't bring up on fs because of how controversial your opinion is?

[soldatsasha]

Sorry, I was probably too vague with my wording.

Mostly I was talking about the sort of tumble-style Discourse that I've occasionally seen crop up here. Sort of radical anti-capitalism, not backed up by clear understanding of other economic systems. Or even clear understanding of what capitalism itself is.

Like, the sort of people who think that anyone who owns a business is enslaving their workers or something. Like PETA for people.

Re: Is there a topic you don't bring up on fs because of how controversial your opinion is?

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I think it's a wording issue that confused a lot of people. You'll find a bunch of people here who are pro social democracy like in Scandinavia that keeps getting mentioned. They would probably call themselves anti-capitalist since while it might have a capitalist market structure a social democracy is not extreme capitalism. It kinda sounded like you were saying everyone who is anti-capitalist is pro Venezuela esque systems.

Radical anti-capitalism that wants to break the whole thing into communism is a lot more specific and I'd agree with you.

Re: Is there a topic you don't bring up on fs because of how controversial your opinion is?

[diet_poison]

I'm not afraid to say capitalism has been failing for centuries. any system that is OK with letting people starve because they can't pull themselves up by their bootstraps fails, imo.

Re: Is there a topic you don't bring up on fs because of how controversial your opinion is?

[(Anonymous)]

This is a terrible fucking argument. You do not have to believe that Venezuela is perfect to believe that American capitalism needs to be radically reformed.

Jesus Christ, talk about your goddamn fallacy of the excluded middle

Re: Is there a topic you don't bring up on fs because of how controversial your opinion is?

[soldatsasha]

idk where you're getting that I don't think American capitalism needs to be reformed? I'm a Socialist, dude.

Re: Is there a topic you don't bring up on fs because of how controversial your opinion is?

[(Anonymous)]

What you said in your post was that you were against people who were "extremely anti-capitalist" because of your first and second hand experience with "communism / socialized systems" specifically with reference to Venezuela and Russia.

With all apologies, I think I would have to have been a fucking mind reader to conclude from that post that you were a socialist. Like, you specifically cited socialist systems as a reason you were against anti-capitalists! That is a statement that is hard to reconcile with socialism, in my mind.

SA

[(Anonymous)]

to be clear, when I say "socialist systems" in the second paragraph, I'm pointing towards your use of the phrase "socialized systems", not referring to Venezuela or Soviet Russia, both of which were very deeply flawed societies that no one should look to as a model of rectitude.

hope that was clear but.

Re: Is there a topic you don't bring up on fs because of how controversial your opinion is?

[soldatsasha]

Yeah, I'm against that sort of radical bullshit because I realize that taking economic systems to extremes is a fucking terrible idea. I think some degree of socialization is absolutely essential. I think some degree of govt oversight is essential. I also think that a healthy mostly-free market is essential.

Sorry, I've mentioned being a Socialist here before, and my comment was clearly not as clear as I thought it was.

Re: Is there a topic you don't bring up on fs because of how controversial your opinion is?

[(Anonymous)]

yeahhhhhhh tbh I probably also came off the top way hotter than necessary, due to being frustrated about other stuff, so sorry about that

Re: Is there a topic you don't bring up on fs because of how controversial your opinion is?

[(Anonymous)]

I think some degree of socialization is absolutely essential. I think some degree of govt oversight is essential. I also think that a healthy mostly-free market is essential.

Fully agreed on all of this.

Re: Is there a topic you don't bring up on fs because of how controversial your opinion is?

[(Anonymous)]

Just out of curiosity, do you have any opinions on the EZLN? To me it feels like the most compelling leftist social system - in some ways, one of the only ones that's genuinely compelling - but I'd be really interested in your thoughts.

Re: Is there a topic you don't bring up on fs because of how controversial your opinion is?

[diet_poison]

wait now I'm confused, your original post strongly implied that you were a capitalist

if you're not, why defend capitalism?

Re: Is there a topic you don't bring up on fs because of how controversial your opinion is?

[soldatsasha]

I think it's counterproductive to attack it. It takes focus away from achievable goals.

Plus, capitalism isn't the root of all evils in society. Just dismantling it doesn't actually solve any problems. Poverty and social inequality don't just disappear when you remove it. I also don't believe it's possible to have a healthy economy without it.

I'm a Socialist because I think a govt has a responsibility to provide basic care and resources to it's populace. Right now I live in a country that's failing to do that, and I think a greater degree of Socialism would help that. But I think that some balance has to be maintained or else it will fall into one extreme or the other. I don't want to live in the USSR again, but I also don't want to live in The Jungle, if that makes any sense.

Re: Is there a topic you don't bring up on fs because of how controversial your opinion is?

[(Anonymous)]

It is not a berserk button you have, it is a distorted world view influenced by a degree of PTSD due to your political background. You've got classic all or nothing thinking.

Re: Is there a topic you don't bring up on fs because of how controversial your opinion is?

[soldatsasha]

Me being extremely invested in child welfare is because of my political background?

But, you are 100% correct that it's a berserk button because of my PTSD. It's very hard to be chill when I just want to be like VACCINATE YOUR FUCKING KIDS YOU IRRESPONSIBLE PIECE OF SHIT AGDSO:GjOSHSKLGJDKSL

Re: Is there a topic you don't bring up on fs because of how controversial your opinion is?

[(Anonymous)]

I like capitalism as an idea. I like communism and socialism as ideas. I think failed states can exist of every idea, depending on how they're implemented and how extreme they become.

America is already an outlier in Western nations about healthcare and it's poised to boot another 22 million people off of health insurance. Students may be reading about America as the failed capitalist state in 100 years, but possibly not in America as we gut our education system. People are already pointing to us about both those things and going "look at all those bankrupt sick and dying people, you think that's BETTER than Canada/Western Europe?"

And I like capitalism in theory.

Re: Is there a topic you don't bring up on fs because of how controversial your opinion is?

[soldatsasha]

Haha, yeah, this is what I was trying to get at and clearly failed. Oops.

I'm not against reforms, I think it's very necessary that America socializes things like health care. But, I am against economic extremism. Balance is really important.

Re: Is there a topic you don't bring up on fs because of how controversial your opinion is?

[diet_poison]

I admit to being wary of people who are pro-capitalist for capitalism's sake, because actual pure capitalism is demonstrably bad and harmful.

On the other hand, communism is pretty much unattainable without a strong governing force, which leads to authoritarianism, which is also bad.

(I'm a socialist lol)