[ SECRET POST #3834 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3834 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, you lost me. Is it the text speak? Or is it that the character has repeatedly defined (respectfully and politely ) in universe his sexuality?

[(Anonymous)]

Characters in fictional universes aren't real people

[(Anonymous)]

No, but for 13 years Dean has said to anyone who asked he wasn't into men. He has said that.

[(Anonymous)]

I guess my problem with that line of reasoning is that... being in the closet is a thing? It's a phenomenon that happens that we can talk about intelligibly. And obviously, if you're dealing with a real person, you respect their ability to define their identity on their own terms and timeline. I don't see why the same is necessarily true of a fictional character.

Like, in all sincerity and honesty: what's the argument for why it's important to take Dean's statements at face value there?

[(Anonymous)]

Sure it's a thing. But repeated negative declarations and disinterest when being propositioned, are also things.

Your head canon might be Dean is so far in the closet he may as well be in Narnia, but that doesn't make it anything other than wishful thinking.

[(Anonymous)]

OK, so... you're just angry at people who say that Dean is textually clear?

I'm not sure "wishful thinking" is a useful framework here, I think it probably makes more sense to talk about whether or not it's a plausible interpretation than whether or not it's canon

SA

[(Anonymous)]

That should be "textually gay" in the first paragraph there

[(Anonymous)]

+1

It's baffling that someone would choose to base their argument about his straightness on that. If you want to argue about the writers' intentions, it makes more sense to look at statements the writers have made about their intentions. Rather than, you know, things a character says in-universe which are, like every other aspect of the canon, up to interpretation.

[(Anonymous)]

The writers have said he is straight. The actor has said Dean is straight. The text has shown Dean as stright. Does that stop anyone from writing him as pay for gay or pining for Castiel? Nope. I've done it myself. But canonically, Dean Winchester isn't gay or bisexual.

[(Anonymous)]

gay for pay. Gah.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I never stated whether I thought he was straight or gay/bi. I just agree with the OP of the secret that it's stupid as hell to claim he's canonically straight based on things he says in the series when they could be backing their claims up with things the creators have said.

Everyone has their own opinion on the correct interpretation of any canon. To say "this is canon because this is how I interpret canon!" is ridiculous, because, as is evidenced by the very existence of the argument over Dean's sexuality, others more likely than not have their own interpretation, and theirs isn't more or less valid than your own. If you want to play more canon than thou, you have to do better than that.

[(Anonymous)]

What is your evidence that Dean is anything other than what he says he is?

[(Anonymous)]

Writers show their intentions through their writing. The way they write their characters, the things they have them say and do. It's much more likely that a real person could be gay and unaware of it or very good at hiding it, than that a fictional character is actually gay when he says he's straight time and again with no deliberate text that implies he's hiding it or not aware yet. Characters are fictional and can't keep secrets about themselves from their own writers.

[(Anonymous)]

That would make more sense if Dean acted like he was in way homophobic or adverse to gay people. But he isn't. He seems pretty accepting and cool with anyone who is gay.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm genuinely not sure whether that's a useful predictor of whether or not someone's in the closet. I'm kind of skeptical that it's very meaningful either way.

[(Anonymous)]

?? Straight doesn't automatically equal homophobic.

[(Anonymous)]

Somebody asked why Dean would be in the closet if he was "only gay" and it wasn't like he was TRANS or something and I had no idea how to explain to them that yes, even in the US of A, there are people who think gays are horrible evil sinners who should be tolerated only if they are trying to fight their "reprobate minds."

[(Anonymous)]

For the general public? Sure. Reason to be hay and closeted. But you're ignoring the point, which was why would he be closeted in private - which we see a lot of - when he and his brother ate both fine with it.

[(Anonymous)]

What does that have to do with anything?

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I think it's "claims to be straight = totally not gay" thing?

Like, as a queer person I sure have claimed to be straight before depending on who I was talking to and how much shit I wanted to deal with.

[(Anonymous)]

It isn't just claims. It is claims and has shown NO interest in men. Ever.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

There are plenty of people who would argue with you on your claim that he's never shown interest in men.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, he fanboys Elliot Ness and sort of got flustered over the golem guy. So gay. It's totally raining men in Dean Winchester's psyche.

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Never you say?

nayrt

[(Anonymous)]

Same.

(It's funny how straight people think the only reasons for being closeted are self-loathing or in fear for their lives or at least their jobs. Maybe I don't want to deal with having someone tell me that god loves me anyway, or that they have a cousin that's gay and do I know them, or how much they LOVE Neil Patrick Harris or George Takei.)