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[ SECRET POST #3859 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3859 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Twin Peaks Season 3]

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03. http://i.imgur.com/36jpHpw.jpg
[Marco Polo, warning for (TV) nudity/sex]

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05. [WARNING for discussion of self-harm]

[American Gods (Starz)]

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06. [WARNING for discussion of incest]

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07. [WARNING for discussion of abuse, sexual assault]

(Dumbing of Age, Billie and Ruth)

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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I have no idea what 80% of those words mean.

Well you see, when two people who are related love each other very much...

Hahaha, very funny!

No, I mean: "ritualistically performative," "denunciations," and "self-satisfied prudery."

I know what those words mean individually, but I don't understand them in this context whatsoever.

Oh yeah, me either.

Yeah, and it's kind of hard to discuss a secret when I don't know what it's saying. :/

What I think "ritualistic denunciation" means is that someone feel they have to criticize incest shipping regularly regardless of the actual amount of incest shipping on tumblr, and regardless of whether it's really bothering them or not.

Also they feel they have to state it as if it's an obvious point that "everybody" agrees on that does not even need to be discussed.

Forget it, the anon put it much better.

OP

Essentially my point. Tumblr culture seems to demand of its users a kind of "Reblog if .... and you're a terrible person if you don't" orthodoxy, and this extends in particular to the point I raised in my secret.

I think that last bit translates to virtue signalling, because why else wouldn't they be on board with two hot brothers banging like screen doors, but the rest sounds like word salad cribbed from a sociology text book.

What the fuck does "virtue signalling" mean? Why can't anyone in fandom just speak plainly?

To virtue signal saying you are for or again something, not because your moral compass points in that direction, but because you risk social chastisement if you don't.

Against. Not again.

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Virtue signalling is a right-wing-Internet meme, not a fandom meme

It's essentially used to explain any time anyone evinces concern for someone who doesn't belong to their socioeconomic and racial subgroup

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DA - Generally means stuff you don't actually care that much about, but think talking about makes you look like a better person. Like someone who doesn't like animals posting Adopt Don't Shop memes to look like they care while never lifting a finger to help actual animals.

In this case, they're saying most of the Purity Brigade doesn't actually care about real life victims of incest, they just want to sound all moral by loudly denouncing ships they find icky.

It's an Online White Nationalist sneer at people who show openly that values like tolerance and acceptance of other people's different preferences have meaning, to them and/or to society.

Because I'm not a right-wing internet troll (and not so dumb as to blindly use their monikers), I'm with you on going WTF about the term as such.

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Signalling that you're virtuous...

"people who, for example, expunge certain terms from their vocabulary not because they actively give a shit about not being ableist, but rather because they think it’s important not to appear ableist – appearances and the in-group status they bring are what matter, not the core principle of ‘we do this in order to be kinder to others’." (because it was on my tumblr dash earlier today)

Which is also why people who don't think they're racist get so upset when someone points out that they did something racist, because actually fighting racism is less important than virtue signalling (in this case that you're not racist). So you get people loudly criticising media for not having Strong Black Characters (and attacking people who ship the wrong thing) and then whining about BLM having demonstrations.

They enjoy protesting how pure and innocent they are and how wicked everyone else is more than they actually care about the issues. I think.

"People who loudly argue against incest ships are only doing so to advance their own social position; all they really care about is being seen to be anti-incest."

Bless you, Anon.

OP

To put it another way I see people reblogging the anti-incest shipping thing mainly because there is virtually no social "cost" to join the brigade that essentially re-reinforces the social taboo each time it hits their dashes.

Never mind that almost every argument made against it starts from an essentially faulty premise, which is that it's inherently impossible for two consenting adults of similar age to have a healthy relationship simply because they're related.

That's why I call it "ritualistically performative". It's an empty gesture at best. And performative anti-anything is in no shortage on Tumblr, as I'm sure you've probably seen.

There is also a tendency on Tumblr to insist on a purity-culturish orthodoxy that demands that anything in the least "problematic" be denounced with the fire of a thousand suns. That's what "self-satisfied prudery" is all about, and it intersects with the performative aspect of denouncing a completely "socially safe" thing to denounce.

Yepppp, pretty much.

I don't think you're really responding to the strongest possible version of the incest argument here.

Also, while I agree that some of it is performative, I don't like the idea of extending that argument too far in any circumstance, because it's definitely not all performative and people sincerely believe it and I think there's a real risk of forgetting that and writing those people off.

I think the main issue here is that the opposition to incest is just one part of the bigger purity wank happening, where anything deemed "problematic" can be denounced as immoral and dangerous. Incest is obvious, but there's also this trend of screaming "pedophilia" at any work containing underaged characters in sexual situations (even if these characters aren't underaged in their country of origin), and "pedophile" at 18+ people who produce smut of underage characters, or just people who ship pairings with age gaps (infamously from The Fandom That Shall Not Be Named, a fifteen year old with an eighteen year old). I don't know to what extent there's been huge battles over shipping pairings that "glorify abuse" or whatever, but it honestly wouldn't surprise me.

I don't disagree that these people mean well and I don't want to accuse them of taking on insincere opinions, but I highly doubt that many of them take any offline action to stop or prevent child abuse and domestic violence. If you think you're fighting real life abuse by reblogging friendly reminders that shipping AxB is [pedophilia/abusive/problematic/erasure], then you're massively misguided.

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