[ SECRET POST #3892 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3892 ⌋

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Comments

[sadiesockmonkey]

It's Dream Daddy, the dating sim where you can date a bunch of LGBTQ DILFs.

[(Anonymous)]

Nobody ever told me about a lesbian option.

[(Anonymous)]

In all seriousness, I do want that game to exist and I hope someone's making it

[(Anonymous)]

I would pay good money for a lesbian MILF dating sim. Honestly, Mary was the cutest in the entire game. ;_;

[(Anonymous)]

DA: Someday... ;_;

[(Anonymous)]

Some of the dads are lesbians?

[(Anonymous)]

Not sure because I haven't finished all the routes yet, but I hear one of the daughters is either bi or lesbian.

[(Anonymous)]

So by.... LGBTQ do you mean it's a yaoi dating sim?

[sadiesockmonkey]

Yep.

I don't actually play the game, but I think there's supposed to be a trans dad and idk if any of them identify as bi in the game, so I wrote the LGBTQ acroynym without thinking about it, and without thinking to take out the L considering that the game is entirely about dating and romancing DILFs. (And helping your own teenage daughter.)

[forgottenjester]

There is one dad who is trans and you can be trans yourself if you wish. Some dads are gay and some are bi/pan according to backstory/who their previous partners were.

It's pretty tame and full of jokes.

[sadiesockmonkey]

:)

That's really cool. Thanks.

[(Anonymous)]

I consume a lot of LGBT media, like DRAMAtical Murder

[cbrachyrhynchos]

No, a gay dating sim, with not a bishonen stereotype to be seen.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure. Not like the trans character isn't the very epitome of the bishonen vampire stereotype, not at all.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

As a 40ish father of a teenager, calling Damien a youth would be a bit of a stretch, not to mention the whole issue of transness which yaoi can't handle without making a fucking joke out of it.

[(Anonymous)]

The artstyle sure doesn't make him look like 40ish though. And let's not pretend that the whole "issue of transness" is so obvious - plenty people actually never noticed it so it's completely irrelevant for this argument.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

DATING AS A MIDDLE-AGED PARENT IS THE ENTIRE PREMISE OF THE FUCKING GAME!

And let's not pretend that the whole "issue of transness" is so obvious - plenty people actually never noticed it so it's completely irrelevant for this argument.

Yes, and that's exactly why it's not a yaoi-style dating sim.

[(Anonymous)]

THE STYLE DOESN'T REFLECT THE CHARACTER'S AGE THOUGH.

Yes, and that's exactly why it's not a yaoi-style dating sim.
That sentence doesn't make a lot of sense but ok. Nobody said it was, so I don't even know what you're on about (other than you being weirdly defensive about a bland dating sim that you try to put on a pedestal but which nobody will talk about in a few months).

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Nobody said it was, ...

It's pretty stupid to lie about something that was said explicitly in the history of the thread.

That sentence doesn't make a lot of sense but ok.

Yaoi as a genre is generally not friendly to trans people, either taking the position of "LOL, it's a cross-dresser" or "LOL, he was taken in by a trap." The fact that Damien is just another guy is another marked difference from the way that yaoi treats the subject.

Nobody said it was, so I don't even know what you're on about (other than you being weirdly defensive about a bland dating sim that you try to put on a pedestal but which nobody will talk about in a few months).

I'm not putting it on a pedestal. I'm pointing out that it uses almost none of the formulas that characterize yaoi.

[(Anonymous)]

+100

(nothing wrong with the bishounen vampire stereotype btw.)

[cbrachyrhynchos]

You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

And yes, setting up unrealistic young, thin, youthful (which Damien explicitly is not) men on a pedestal contributes to the epidemic of eating and body image disorders among GBQ men. Which is an element of yaoi that DD explicitly rejects. (Not to mention the forumlas for how same-sex relationships are structured.)

[(Anonymous)]

Nayrt

Okay, let's call him a "biseinen" then (which doesn't fit him as well, but you want to go into semantics, ok), doesn't change the fact that design-wise, he's very close to the stereotype.

And lol what? The body types portrayed in manga are not to blame for GBQ men's body image, (not to mention it's a fairly realistic body type for a lot of young men in Japan). So that argument is kind of weird, especially since except of one guy in the game we're talking about, everyone has a fairly idealised body type there as well so I don't see a lot of rejecting going on.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Okay, let's call him a "biseinen" then (which doesn't fit him as well, but you want to go into semantics, ok), doesn't change the fact that design-wise, he's very close to the stereotype.

Design-wise, he's a 40-ish parent of a teenager. It's the entire fucking premise of the game. If you're evaluating the characters in the game based entirely on cartoonish character art, you really don't know what you're talking about and need to back out of this discussion right now.

And lol what? The body types portrayed in manga are not to blame for GBQ men's body image, (not to mention it's a fairly realistic body type for a lot of young men in Japan). So that argument is kind of weird, especially since except of one guy in the game we're talking about, everyone has a fairly idealised body type there as well so I don't see a lot of rejecting going on.

Manga is a mass-market genre which is more widely available and sells more than LGBTQ-produced media. Yes, it is a factor in our mass-media environment, and you don't get to put in in a box and say that fetishistic commodification of GBQ bodies has absolutely no effect on the people portrayed.

You mean, the game that includes a bear and two geeks? The game where you can choose from multiple body types and it doesn't really influence your ability to date other people?

[(Anonymous)]

It seems frightfully dishonest to say beautiful youthful anime characters are bad because they cause eating disorders. Like, that's ridiculous.

I'm all for an increased range of portrayal in men and women in anime (and in media in general) but there isn't anything wrong with liking a certain design type like bishounen (or the female equivalent).

[cbrachyrhynchos]

People like me are killing ourselves at 3-5 times the rate as straight people. We're hitting %20-50 seropositiviy in some communities. We experience major mental illness at 3-5 times the rate as straight people, and are nearly twice as likely to experience major medical issues past middle age. All of that is attributable to minority stress and medical discrimination fueled (in part) by mass media stereotypes.

Anime and Manga are among the largest import media genres currently active. LGBTQ-centric work is turning to kickstarter to get into print and patreon to pay the bills, but I can walk down the street from my office and find an entire shelf of boy's love.

So no, if you're favorite works are ubiquitous in the stores I visit, the body-policing, anti-gay, anti-trans, and gendered stereotypes that are genre conventions in those works are fair game for criticism. It's not about you, unless you choose it to make it about you by saying that it's beyond criticism.

EDIT: And frankly, the position that I can't criticize the genre conventions of how I'm portrayed on the page comes off as pretty damn anti-gay.