[ SECRET POST #3953 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3953 ⌋

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Comments

[supermanda]

I don't agree with your first point at all; it seems to imply that men and women are viewed as a lot more equal than they are now. Of course it would look creepy if a man said this, but the reason it's not when Gal says it is because it's just not the same, OP.

[(Anonymous)]

i agree it's not entirely the same but it's pretty hinkie in some broadly similar ways, I think

[(Anonymous)]

I can't agree with this at all. I don't think it's creepy to take an opportunity to kiss someone you find attractive in a situation where you can (ie a scripted situation like this where it's not like Gal was forcing herself on the other actress), whether you're male OR female.

I think if you find it creepy though (which is everyone's right to have a differing opinion) it should be creepy regardless of the sexes of the people involved.

[killertofuuu]

I think if you find it creepy though (which is everyone's right to have a differing opinion) it should be creepy regardless of the sexes of the people involved.

Hmm, I can't agree with this. It's not up to you to tell an individual what they should and shouldn't be creeped out by. It's a purely subjective/knee-jerk feeling. You have no idea what their life experience has been.

I will say this, though. Personally, I don't think it'd be anymore creepy if a man said it. Attraction is attraction, and is not harmful in and of itself. It's what you do with it that matters.

[(Anonymous)]

That isn't what she said, though? She just isn't as bored with the idea of a sex scene because she's more interested in the actress. As opposed to angling for the part simply in order to kiss that particular actress.

[(Anonymous)]

The reason you feel it's not the same is because of benevolent sexism.

Your feeling is well-meaning, but still inherently sexist. And benevolent sexism can be the most harmful.

[(Anonymous)]

How... is it benevolent sexism to go "it's creepy when a guy says this because guys still largely hold power over women?"

[(Anonymous)]

Benevolent sexism is exactly that - refusing to hold women accountable for creepy behavior in the same way that you'd hold men, because they are more ~powerless~ or some shit.

[(Anonymous)]

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how

....what

this doesn't make ANY sense if we're still talking about gal gadot's comments? i don't even know where to begin.

[(Anonymous)]

Would it be creepy if a man said it? Yes? Then there you have it. Benevolent sexism.

[(Anonymous)]

Towards someone of the same gender? I don't think so. There you have it: not sexism at all.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean....

I'm not necessarily saying I disagree, but it is broadly the case that men are advantaged and have access to various forms of power in our society to an extent that women don't

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I agree and I feel that stamping the "benevolent sexism" label on everything feels like it's ignoring this

[(Anonymous)]

It may be true that men have access to power that women do not. But that has nothing to do with the fact that women can be sexual predators. Women who rape and sexually harass others are RARELY taken as a serious threat. You have stories about female teachers raping elementary school students who just get suspended, and the victims are told they should've enjoyed it. Benevolent sexism allows women to get away with sex crimes and sexual harassment, and it is not any more okay than when men do it, period. It sounds an awful lot like you're arguing that because men are "advantaged" and women aren't, it's somehow less bad when women do these things.

[(Anonymous)]

Your benevolent sexism analogy would work only if Gal said that in reference to a kissing scene with a male actor. I don't think most people would find it creepy or in any way comparable to child rape, if a male actor said the same thing Gal said, about a kissing scene with another male actor.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, because homosexuality is treated like a joke. Thus, the threat of same sex harassment isn't taken seriously either. That just makes it benevolent homophobia if anything.

[(Anonymous)]

Nice try. You're still not going to convince LGBT people that expressing LGBT interest is homophobic.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

seriously wtf am I missing?

[supermanda]

Would you be able to elaborate on that in the context of this secret?

Not disagreeing with you! I'd just like to dig into that a bit more. I'm definitely not one too stubborn to deny my own ignorance, should I become aware of it in any given situation.