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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2017-11-07 06:36 pm

[ SECRET POST #3961 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3961 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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(fandom: My Brother, My Brother and Me)


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[Neil Gaiman's "Good Omens"]


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(Minami, YoI)


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[personal profile] morieris 2017-11-08 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
This was my first Thor movie - I haven't seen him since Avengers - while we can't stop what fic writers do, I didn't think of him as bumbling. A bit endearingly goofy ("Please kind sir, don't cut my hair!") but not like....an idiot.

I hope more fics acknowledge Valkyrie.

[personal profile] cbrachyrhynchos 2017-11-08 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
I think the film would have been better if they devoted more lines of dialogue to her motivations (another example of "bi, but only in off-screen interviews") and fewer lines to Tony Stark's pants.

[personal profile] cbrachyrhynchos 2017-11-08 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
Actually that might be a new rubric for talking about female characters. "Is there more discussion about inanimate objects in the movie than the character's motivation?"
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[personal profile] morieris 2017-11-08 12:17 am (UTC)(link)
I like Taika but damn the rock man didn't need more extended and prominent backstory than Valkyrie.

[personal profile] cbrachyrhynchos 2017-11-08 12:43 am (UTC)(link)
Ten things in Thor: Ragnarok that get more discussion than Valkrie's unnamed lover identified in interviews.

10. Knife hands
9. Pamphlets
8. Skurge's gun collection
7. Quinjet passwords
6. The devil's anus
5. The Hulk's junk
4. Sutur's hat
3. The Grandmaster's orgies
2. A wooden fork
1. Tony Stark's pants

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(Anonymous) 2017-11-08 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
I don't see Ragnarok!Thor as dumb at all. He sees through Loki's Odin disguise immediately - in fact, he always knows when Loki is lying this time; not only does he know when Loki's lying, he TRICKS Loki, he convincingly tells both Hulk & Bruce that they are each respectively his favorite. . . he's definitely not dumb. More clumsy than previous movies for comedic value - in all of his other movies, the ball through the window trick would've worked WITHOUT hitting him in the head first.

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(Anonymous) 2017-11-08 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
Yes but Thor in the first movie and Avengers isn't goofy at all except for, like, three comedic moments, and yet a sizable section of fanfic manages to make him ALL about that. I understand the concern.
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[personal profile] philstar22 2017-11-08 03:50 am (UTC)(link)
This so much.

[personal profile] thezmage 2017-11-08 12:15 am (UTC)(link)
I just didn’t find it very funny, personally. It struck me as the kind of movie that markets itself as an action comedy in order to cover up that it’s not particularly good at being an action movie or a comedy.

(Anonymous) 2017-11-08 12:30 am (UTC)(link)
I adore Thor the character but I didn't find it THAT funny, either.

I did enjoy it a lot but didn't think it had many rip-roaring LOLs.
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[personal profile] morieris 2017-11-08 02:07 am (UTC)(link)
I laughed at the Ph.D joke really hard and wasn't UNAMUSED or anything at the rest, but lbr much of the high praise is because people are surprised a Thor movie isn't a snoozefest
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[personal profile] nightscale 2017-11-08 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
I've never seen Thor as dumb in any of his movies and certainly not in this one either, but the persistent 'lol Thor is too stupid to work a toaster' fanon has been there since the beginning because he had a bit of culture shock in Thor 1(but was seen to be cooking without any issue after like a day of being there, but lets ignore that).

Basically regardless of what canon shows that camp is always going to view him as a dumb-brick and that probably won't ever change so don't let it bug you.
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[personal profile] sparrow_lately 2017-11-08 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
Were people seriously asking for a comedic Black Widow movie?
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[personal profile] ninety6tears 2017-11-08 12:59 am (UTC)(link)
AFAIK Waititi himself brought up the idea.
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[personal profile] comma_chameleon 2017-11-08 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
Personally, for consistency to me, it would make sense for it to be on the same level as all the Marvel movies have been which is a mixture of seriousness and humour. It'd be weird to me to have all these action/comedy/serious movies in the MCU and then suddenly the one female-led movie is a pure drama fest.

That to me would be weirdly out of place. Plus I like the bits of humour.

(Anonymous) 2017-11-08 03:41 am (UTC)(link)
But it would be much weirder if it runs any lighter than, say, one of the Cap movies. Winter Soldier is about where the tone should land. Anyway, if it ever comes out it would be after Captain Marvel which probably won't be dark, so you can do what makes sense for the character. Natasha has one of the darkest backstories of the bunch and they should stay true to that.

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[personal profile] ninety6tears 2017-11-08 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
My complaint isn't that Thor's intelligence was compromised but that his courage and empathy suddenly went out the window whenever it made for a good joke. I love Taila Waititi generally, but I'm still just...really sad about the way MCU is potentially selling out dramatic characterization for the lowest common denominator of "teehee superheroes are dumb so let's just write a comedy" which is just as bad as DCU's inability to have any fun with what superheroes are traditionally about.
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[personal profile] ketita 2017-11-08 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
That disappoints me to hear. I was thinking of seeing this film - against my better judgment, a little - but I still remember Thor's "he's adopted" line about Loki, and that bugged me. They should have jokes that go with the character, not against him.
You're making me reconsider watching the film, or just waiting for it to be out of theaters.
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[personal profile] ninety6tears 2017-11-08 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
It's not that the movie didn't try to for dramatic character moments, but even those kind of fell flat for me TBH. I did have fun with the comedy aspect of the bizarre stuff that goes down, but I also couldn't help thinking, UGH, I would LOVE to watch a movie where all of these trials happen to Thor but he reacts the way he would react.

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[personal profile] thezmage 2017-11-08 01:48 am (UTC)(link)
It’s one of those Action/comedies that thinks it can cover the flaws from one genre with the other, rather than trying to do both well
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[personal profile] luxshine 2017-11-08 04:36 am (UTC)(link)
Actually, there's a scene in this movie that I think it's a perfect bookend to the "he's adopted" line. If you want spoilers, I'll gladly give more context, but for me? It made it work in retrospective (I didn't care for it originally much either, as it seemed a bit OOC for Thor).

If nothing else, I think Thor: Ragnarok did an excellent job in fixing Loki and Thor's relationship, because at no point I saw them as enemies, and they actually became brothers again.

(Of course, that's only my opinion, and I perfectly understand if others disagree or see the jokes and the characters differently)

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[personal profile] philstar22 2017-11-08 03:52 am (UTC)(link)
I loved this movie so much. The humor worked for me. It balanced out the drama well. Valkyrie was amazing. I had doubts about her, but I came out of it shipping both her and Hela with everyone. I just loved this movie. It was almost perfect to me.

(Anonymous) 2017-11-08 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
What's bothered me most about these movies is that Thor is blond. In Norse mythology he's the only one of the gods where his hair color is mentioned, and it's red. So why is it blond in these movies?

(Anonymous) 2017-11-08 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Because it's blond in the comics, and the movies are based on the comics and not on Norse mythology.