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Willow fucking sucks, the end.

:( Whether you mean the character or the movie, either way I love them.

HA! Both, actually. Omg, Both.

That's okay. We're allowed to like different things. :) I may identify a bit too much with Willow at times. But honestly I get why a lot of people don't like her.

Yup, we are, thank gods, because she pissed me off from season one, and was only marginally bearable to me most of the time.

Glad you enjoy her.

She is not a fave for me by any means, but I'm trying to think of what reasons a person might have for not liking her and I can't think of any. I mean, I find her a bit twee, I guess, in that she's got that cute, insecure, babbley thing going on. And she cheats on Oz. But that's about all I can think of.

What don't you like about her?

Her constant insistence that nobody 'trusts' her to do magic, when a) it's not about trust, it's about experience and *not* doing stuff that will get you killed and b) it *is* about trust when you, you know - do shite that kills people/almost kills people.

Her wanting everyone to forgive her but not actually doing anything that will make up for it and then repeating that same mistake over and over (using magic in a way that does harm).

Her mind-fucking of Tara and then her sneaking around and doing it *again*, and being totally unwilling to see that what she was doing was wrong.

Her wanting everyone to be all 'poor poor you' over Oz (and magic) way past the point of people having sympathy or patience with it, and then - DOING MAGIC TO FIX THINGS. AGAIN.

Her pushing a book on Dawn to raise the fucking dead, when everyone she knows that does magic says it is a BAD idea.

Her making Tara feel like she's not good enough/strong enough, when I suspect Tara could have wiped the floor with her.

She brought about the First Evil mess by being an idiot, and then got all shirty about it.

Agreed. She's not all that much better than Xander. It sucks because she sometimes did have moments where I really wanted to like her friendship with Buffy or Giles, but ugh.

The entitlement and lack of regard for other people was there loooong before she went dark!Willow.

Yup. I'm always baffled when people don't see this.

ayrt

I will always love BTVS, but they wasted so much potential for character growth and development right from the start.

Instead of making Willow slowly more self-aware about her own poor behaviour, the writers just let her remain stuck in a weird teenage mentality that her friends having other friends and relationships and a life in general was somehow a betrayal. Nobody else was supposed to be smart because Willow was the smart one and anyone questioning her was wrong.

I have plenty of blame for Giles not putting his foot down about her learning magic properly from the start, because hello. He definitely knows that shit is not to be messed with. You would think if she was really that smart she would have been more aware of that herself though and looked further into how to use magic responsibly and who to learn from.

I think it's funny that people get so angry about Dawn, the teenager who acts like a teenager, but not Willow and Xander, who were teenagers who acted like teenagers, and then became adults who still act like teenagers.

I have many thoughts and feelings sorry.

ALL OF THIS! Yes, i was always so angry with Giles for not doing *something*. ANYTHING. He had contacts, he *could* have gotten in someone like the coven from season seven to talk with Willow or bind her magic for a little bit, or *something*. So frustrating.

And when she and Xander cheated, and Oz said 'i think you want to talk to me to make yourself feel better' - that was it. Right there. That was Willow top to bottom and it *never changed*.

I loved Dawn. I don't care. She *was* a teen: she was stupid and impulsive and thought she was invulnerable and in the end, she was so smart and capable and good, i just loved her. And Xander had his good moments, here and there, but my fic-Xander is nothing like his generally jerk-ass show-self. (Though I blame a lot of Xander on the fact that Whedon said he lost interest in the character and basically abandoned him about season five....)

Ah! "Brendon : That really is admirable. Because after about Season Five on [Buffy], or the end of Season Four, I was that guy. [Buffy creator] Joss [Whedon] actually said Xander was done"”that there was no more. I was just kind of relegated to the background. It was one of those things that, where I was at in my life, the money was more important than my pride or taking care of myself. [Leaving], especially as the show's just starting to take off...."

https://buffy-boards.com/threads/failure-of-the-everyman-the-lost-character-that-was-xander-harris.53331/

I tried very hard to be fair to Willow in my fics, but.... It was hard, and didn't always work.

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