[ SECRET POST #3994 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3994 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

03. https://i.imgur.com/0M7KMEx.png

[feotakahari]

Not gonna lie; this seems pretty accurate to the Civil War comics.

[(Anonymous)]

The superhero genre is - as a rule - stupendously bad at having meaningful ethical dilemmas, and mostly shouldn't even try. It's not what the genre should be about in the first place, and the wild proliferation of extremely unrealistic science-fictional concepts in superhero universes makes it basically impossible to do it well even if you wanted to.

[feotakahari]

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."-Grant Morrison

[ketita]

Yeah, I also thought they could have tried a wee bit better. I know it was like that in the comics, but I kind of hated Civil War in the comics, so I was hoping this would be less terrible. Which it was, but I regret that they didn't actually bring out what would have made it into a decent story.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought the narrative pushed 'Tony is wrong' hard, but actually found it incredibly hard to sympathise with Captain America's reckless actions. When a super villain runs from the law and goes to great lengths to save a loved one, they aree righteously brought to justice. But when Captain America does it, the narrative twists itself in knots to make sure he always has the moral high ground.

[(Anonymous)]

Super villains who go to great lengths to save a loved one sound like they're bound for either dying tragically or being redeemed and spared at the end.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, Steve is a liar, a hypocrite, and a bully. He's basically Trump. Just not as orange. He wants to stomp all over everyone else's rights just because he can, and flaunts the law for his own needs. Trump. I'm doing it for your own good! he says, as he kills a bunch of people for his own selfish desire to keep his buddy from going to trial.

Man, even Trump hasn't gone that far yet.

Then Steve beats on Stark, hitting him where it hurts the most, and leaves him undefended, with incredibly advanced technology, in enemy territory. How ignoble and incredibly stupid.

What an awesome guy.

[(Anonymous)]

0/10

Try harder

[(Anonymous)]

The quality of trolling on FS remains poor, I see.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep, I agree. At this point, Steve is basically a villain.

[(Anonymous)]

Tony was wrong? I guess you also think we shouldn't have stricter gun control as well. Everyone gets a gun without background checks or registration. lmao fuck offffff.

[(Anonymous)]

0/10 - Please see the previous anon comment above yours and the comments about trying harder.

[(Anonymous)]

It's another CW secret! I best prepare myself for all the brain-numbingly stupid comments... oh too late.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought Tony was wrong because he thought he could sign a deal and then negotiate the details later. That's not how deals work.

But the idea of holding powerful people accountable, of keeping them in check, he's very much right about that. The fact they decided to settle their differences by punching instead of talking proves they can't be trusted with big decisions.

[dahli]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I remember they where both doing it for selfish reasons. Tony wanted more control because he didn't want to keep fucking up with people lives like he did pre-IM1 and Steve wanted to save Bucky who did some horrible shit due to mind control. Of course there's more stuff to the story but those two things are the ones that stuck with me the most regarding them.

[(Anonymous)]

I mostly agree. I still think they managed to be more balanced than the CW comics, since those totally turned Tony into a villain instead of a screwed up hero.

[bcboomerangs]

I wish the writers would have actually made it a Captain America movie instead of another Avengers movie.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but there's not much doubt that Steve is also dead wrong and being hypocritical either. Both sides of that fight are horrible. Handing over control of the Avengers to General fucking Ross is stupid. Allowing the Avengers to continue bulling into sovereign nations chasing down whoever the fuck they want without communicating or coordinating with local authorities is also stupid.

Both sides need to be put in time-out, and to not be allowed to lead anything more impactful than a softball team.

[(Anonymous)]

Not surprised. Can't have the audience rooting for Tony when it's supposed to be a Captain America movie.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Winter Soldier at least maintained the pretense that it was a spy thriller about the overreach of intelligence agencies. Civil War abandoned all pretense of a logical plot in the middle act for marketing fuckery.

[(Anonymous)]

I acctually thought that on the face of it Tony was obviously right - a bunch of superpowered individuals should not be allowed to engage in combat everywhere at all times, including countries where they don't have any jurisdiction whatsoever, considering their inpredictability and amount of collateral damage they bring with them. Even your local police is supposed to have someone to answer to if they break the rules, why should Hulk or Iron Man be exempt from that? But then the film doubled down on making Tony's side look unreasonable - "sign it first, than we'll discuss it", obvious "bad" generals in charge of the suposed supervision, no talk whatsoever about practical realities (the only option mentioned was something akin to a roomful of politicians has to agree first before we do anything, obviously it won't work - as if the option of installing a small command unit or, you know, something akin to SHIELD, was not available)...This is why comic book movies should not attempt to do too serious and complicated dilemmas.

[(Anonymous)]

As a non-American, I found it downright hilarious how Steve was so sure that the Right Thing To Do would be just... barging into other countries to fight bad guys your own way, no matter if their legally elected governments agreed to it?
Honestly, I would find the notion of a super-powered guy clad in the American flag getting to do whatever he wants to "FIGHT THE BAD GUYS!" in my country with no authorization or accountability whatsoever... well, pretty damn terrifying.

[(Anonymous)]

Don't worry, my friends list is FULL of people on Tony's side. "But he's just trying to do the right thing, and he tries so hard, and he wasn't even trying to kill Bucky he was just releasing stress, how could Cap and Bucky gang up on him two to one, poor Tony doesn't even have real friends, my baby Iron Man needs a better man in his life (Pepper who?)," etc. Not even one word of "maybe they're both wrong," or "they should listen to each other." Nope, it's all "poor poor Tony Stark."

Don't worry, I'm not friends with these people for the Marvel fandom...but it does make me worry about whether I'm this deeply biased in my other fandoms.

[(Anonymous)]

See, I thought it was very obviously written that Steve was in the wrong and that made me wonder what the writers were thinking making this a Cap movie.