[ SECRET POST #4007 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4007 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Pokémon USUM]


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[Moby]


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[Brooklyn 99, Gina Linetti]


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[Guardians of the Galaxy franchise]


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06.
[Illusion of Gaia]


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[Stranger Things]













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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

DA

"Vegans" are fine by me.

"Humans who claim to be pro-animal, refusing to feed omnivorous and carnivorous animals the correct natural food for their species and causing them to suffer for it" count as hypocrites and animal abusers to me. And I really hate hypocrites and animal abusers.

[(Anonymous)]

The "correct natural food" for humans includes meat. Dogs aren't mandatory carnivores like cats. They're omnivores, like humans.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

True. And humans, like myself, can choose to not eat meat. That's a choice I made for myself. If others choose to eat meat or not eat meat, that's a choice they make for themselves.

It's not our place to choose this for other people or animals.

A dog would never choose to be vegan for itself. If you find one that chooses to be, then by all means feed him vegan food.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

For the record, I also feel this way about vegetarian or vegan parents and children. If the adults want to have all food in their home be vegetarian or vegan, then that's their prerogative. Their house, their money, their rules. But if they forbid their child from ever having a hamburger with their friends outside of the home even when another child's parent offers at a birthday party or something, that's going too far imo. Plus, most kids sneak food and don't listen anyway.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, if I’m ever lucky enough to have kids, they would probably eat vegetarian at home unless I marry an omnivore who likes to cook, because I never learned to cook meat and would be awful at it, but I wouldn’t stop them eating meat at restaurants or with friends, or I guess if they learned to cook it themselves, preferably from someone who knew how. Food safety gets more complicated when there’s meat involved.

I know from having lived it that a restrictive childhood diet makes for rebellious kids—I was allowed meat, provided it was free-range and organic (before those were billion dollar industry buzzwords), but not white sugar, white flour, or processed convenience food, and partially as a result, as an adult I’m teetering on the edge of obesity. I would guess a lot of my vegan-raised equivalents court heart disease as adults. Moderation is a useful concept.

[(Anonymous)]

That's incorrect. Dogs are carnivores who have adapted to be able to glean some nutrition from plants, but can't thrive on a plant-based diet because their digestive systems are set up for meat consumption.

Arguably, humans don't thrive on an entirely plant-based diet either, since there are several essential nutrients that we can't get from plants and vegan nutritional supplements are only marginally effective at making up the difference. However, vegans have the right to choose to eat whatever they like. Dogs don't get a choice and have to eat whatever humans provide for them, so feeding them things that will cause them to have a poor quality of life is abusive.

If you're a vegan who wants a pet and are unwilling to compromise your food-related principles to accommodate whatever animal will be depending on you to keep it healthy, please choose one of the many, many animals that evolved to eat plants and nothing but plants. Bunnies are nice.

[(Anonymous)]

What nutrients can we humans only get from meat?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm going to assume that by "meat" you mean "all animal products," since that's what vegans don't eat.

B12 is the big one. There is no viable source of B12 that doesn't involve animal exploitation of some sort. Various amino acids, taurine and zinc are found in trace amounts in various plants, but it's difficult to get enough of any of those nutrients from just eating plant-based foods. Since they are available in plants, through the magic of chemistry you can concentrate them into supplement form, but if your supplements have undergone any sort of regulation they've probably also been tested on animals, so there's that.

[(Anonymous)]

Don't the animals we eat get their B12 from supplements to begin with?

[(Anonymous)]

Herbivores get it from microorganisms found in soil and from eating pellets or cud or shit or whatever partially digested source of gut bacteria that animal is designed to eat. None of these sources would be considered vegan, strictly speaking. Other-vores get it from eating insects and other animals.

[(Anonymous)]

Humans used to get b12 because we lacked basic food sanitation for a long time. This is how a lot of other animals get b12 as well. Also from eating shit, but i doubt humans want to do that.

[(Anonymous)]

Wait... you mean to tell me that human bodies require a vitamin that can only come form eating shit, or eating something that ate shit?

"Intelligent design" my ass...

[(Anonymous)]

Dogs don't require meat to survive, they aren't obligate carnivores like cats are. I know a vegan dog who was much healthier after the switch. Her coat is clean, her breath is good, her energy is high, and she rarely gets sick even though she's old now. People still confuse her for a puppy. Big difference from how she used to be. If I had a dog I'd see if they could go vegan for their own sake.

[(Anonymous)]

Your vegan dog friend probably has an underlying health condition that makes that diet appropriate for her, but that's the exception, not the rule. Yes, an otherwise healthy dog can survive a vegan diet, just like a human toddler can survive being fed nothing but twinkies and grape juice. Survival is a pretty low bar, though, and most pet owners want to do what's best for their pets. That should include feeding them what's best for them, not what's best for you. If you want a vegan pet, consider a guinea pig or a pigeon.

[(Anonymous)]

This. Anectdata isn't data.

[(Anonymous)]

So, because of your ONE example, we should just disregard all the dogs and other pets who were messed up by their vegan diets?