[ SECRET POST #4007 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4007 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Pokémon USUM]


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03.
[Moby]


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04.
[Brooklyn 99, Gina Linetti]


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[Guardians of the Galaxy franchise]


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06.
[Illusion of Gaia]


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[Stranger Things]













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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, you REALLY hate vegans, huh?

[(Anonymous)]

DA

"Vegans" are fine by me.

"Humans who claim to be pro-animal, refusing to feed omnivorous and carnivorous animals the correct natural food for their species and causing them to suffer for it" count as hypocrites and animal abusers to me. And I really hate hypocrites and animal abusers.

[(Anonymous)]

The "correct natural food" for humans includes meat. Dogs aren't mandatory carnivores like cats. They're omnivores, like humans.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

True. And humans, like myself, can choose to not eat meat. That's a choice I made for myself. If others choose to eat meat or not eat meat, that's a choice they make for themselves.

It's not our place to choose this for other people or animals.

A dog would never choose to be vegan for itself. If you find one that chooses to be, then by all means feed him vegan food.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

For the record, I also feel this way about vegetarian or vegan parents and children. If the adults want to have all food in their home be vegetarian or vegan, then that's their prerogative. Their house, their money, their rules. But if they forbid their child from ever having a hamburger with their friends outside of the home even when another child's parent offers at a birthday party or something, that's going too far imo. Plus, most kids sneak food and don't listen anyway.

[(Anonymous)]

That's incorrect. Dogs are carnivores who have adapted to be able to glean some nutrition from plants, but can't thrive on a plant-based diet because their digestive systems are set up for meat consumption.

Arguably, humans don't thrive on an entirely plant-based diet either, since there are several essential nutrients that we can't get from plants and vegan nutritional supplements are only marginally effective at making up the difference. However, vegans have the right to choose to eat whatever they like. Dogs don't get a choice and have to eat whatever humans provide for them, so feeding them things that will cause them to have a poor quality of life is abusive.

If you're a vegan who wants a pet and are unwilling to compromise your food-related principles to accommodate whatever animal will be depending on you to keep it healthy, please choose one of the many, many animals that evolved to eat plants and nothing but plants. Bunnies are nice.

[(Anonymous)]

What nutrients can we humans only get from meat?

[(Anonymous)]

Dogs don't require meat to survive, they aren't obligate carnivores like cats are. I know a vegan dog who was much healthier after the switch. Her coat is clean, her breath is good, her energy is high, and she rarely gets sick even though she's old now. People still confuse her for a puppy. Big difference from how she used to be. If I had a dog I'd see if they could go vegan for their own sake.

[(Anonymous)]

Your vegan dog friend probably has an underlying health condition that makes that diet appropriate for her, but that's the exception, not the rule. Yes, an otherwise healthy dog can survive a vegan diet, just like a human toddler can survive being fed nothing but twinkies and grape juice. Survival is a pretty low bar, though, and most pet owners want to do what's best for their pets. That should include feeding them what's best for them, not what's best for you. If you want a vegan pet, consider a guinea pig or a pigeon.

[(Anonymous)]

This. Anectdata isn't data.

[(Anonymous)]

So, because of your ONE example, we should just disregard all the dogs and other pets who were messed up by their vegan diets?

[(Anonymous)]

A lot of people strongly object to vegan diets for pets for health reasons. So I would imagine it's about that, and not about personal animus towards vegans.

[(Anonymous)]

Not OP, but I REALLY hate animal abuse, which is what feeding dogs and cats a vegan diet is.

[(Anonymous)]

One of my favorite YouTubers is a vegan who rescues kittens. And guess what: she feeds them milk and meat because that's what cats actually NEED.

You can't be cruelty-free if you're feeding animals a diet that is inappropriate for them.

[(Anonymous)]

I will never understand veagas who keep cats. You subscribe to an ideology that says that you musn't support the meat&dairy industry, and out of all species you could have as your pet, you choose the one that requires you to regularly contribute your money to the meat&dairy industry.

At the very least, I hope your friend recognizes the hypocricy, and doesn't get a holier-than-though attitude towards people who support the meat&dairy industry for their furless babies instead.

[(Anonymous)]

Please tell me your favorite YouTuber isn't feeding those poor kittens cow milk. Cats aren't really able to digest lactose - despite the stereotypes about cats and cream, it's not actually good for them.

[(Anonymous)]

No, but people can mostly survive fine on vegan diets provided enough variety and supplements. Dogs will get sick and cats will die without meat.

[(Anonymous)]

Apparently, dogs can be healthy on a vegetarian diet.

https://www.petmd.com/blogs/nutritionnuggets/jcoates/2014/jan/can-dogs-stay-healthy-on-a-vegetarian-diet-31188

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I believe dogs can thrive on a vegetarian diet. Especially if the vegetarian diet includes eggs. However, the dogs I am speaking of are pet dogs with owners and a family who can watch for side effects and add nutrition and take it to the vet as necessary. To switch to an entirely plant-based diet, you need to adjust the diet carefully to suit each dog, since entirely-plant based diets would never happen in nature.

Giant dog shelters in LA are not going to be able to do this. If they tried to implement this on a large scale with very broad standardized plant diets, dogs would die.

[(Anonymous)]

Vegan != vegetarian.

[(Anonymous)]

But vegetarian and vegan aren’t the same thing. Eggs and maybe some dairy (yogurt or other fermented/cultured dairy contain less lactose to fuck with their digestion) would make up some of the deficiencies of a vegan diet and require less in the way of supplements. And cats will sicken and die without meat, and do best on a diet that’s 95% meat, and mostly organ meat, at that. I’ve been a vegetarian for over 20 years and vegans should either keep rabbits or understand that the only creatures they can make follow their preferred diet are themselves.

[greghousesgf]

Rabbits aren't great pets either unless you can accept the fact that they don't like being picked up. people with little kids shouldn't have rabbits for that reason.

[(Anonymous)]

They can, but that's not the same as a vegan diet, and it's not cheap.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you've missed the point. Vegans aren't the problem. Vegans who think they have the right to impose their chosen diet on others - and this time, on animals who are NOT naturally vegan! - are the problem. It's pretty obvious from the secret, actually.

[(Anonymous)]

Moronic vegans who think carnivorous animals should be fed a vegan diet, yes. But not all vegans are morons, so nice generalization, dipshit.