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[ SECRET POST #4010 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4010 ⌋

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I guess I don't agree. I don't think it's inaccurate or unrealistic to depict religious people that way. I think fundamentally, the problems you're pointing out are definitely real and should be depicted - but I think they're mostly structural and institutional things. And individual religious characters aren't depictions of institutions as a whole.

I'm sure sometimes it can be overly positive, for sure, but on the whole, I don't think it's the worst thing.

Matt Murdock is almost certainly older than you are, and wasn't specifically Christian at the time he was created - that came later. I agree if there's characters who are (voluntarily) part of religious institutions, though.

twenty years ago (god I'm old) when I actually participated in evangelical christianity, it was far more common that all religious characters fell into one of two categories: the dope, or the malicious evil masquerading as religious. Characters never were just simply religious in the way they had other traits (appearance, job, education, sexuality) so if that's changed, well, why can't people who like God have representation too?

but I abandoned that bullshit a while ago, so I'm willing to admit that I'm a huge hypocrite and don't want them to have representation.

I guess I AM an atheist shitlord, because I think that even if someone is religious and a good person, being part of a religious organization that promotes bigotry, even if they don't personally agree with that bigotry, means that they are supporting that bigotry.

1) Do you think that all religious institutions promote bigotry, or is this something that varies?

2) Does the same logic hold for non-religious institutions?

Not necessarily all religious organizations promote bigotry, but certainly most of the major ones.

I'm a lot more critical of people who join organizations that have an explicit social agenda. Even if someone belongs for other reasons, by participating, they are supporting that agenda, whether they personally agree with it or not.

Do you go by the over-arching group or judge by sub-groups? Because I'm Christian, which definitely has its bad apples, but I'm United Church of Christ, which is liberal and open and supports social causes (and has historically).

#2edgy4me

What is with this perception that criticizing religion is edgy?

Because that seems to be the motivation of a lot of people who criticize religion, especially on the Internet. If you want to blame someone for the perception, blame all the Ricky Gervais-ass motherfuckers out there.

Do you truly think it's appropriate for OP to be lumped in with people like that, when they say in their secret that they were raised religious and don't voice their concerns specifically because they're worried people will assume they're just trying to be edgy?

I don't think it says something good about someone if they assume that any sentiment that smells faintly secular is meant to be inflammatory.

No, I'm explaining why there's an assumption of edginess in general.

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(Anonymous) - 2017-12-27 01:38 (UTC) - Expand

If all religious people are bigots, why can't all atheists be edgelords?

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(Anonymous) - 2017-12-27 05:17 (UTC) - Expand

Because it's easy to take pot shots at the majority to make yourself feel better. The expression "Shooting fish in a barrel" comes to mind.

I am really tired of people shitting on Christianity but you DARE say one bad thing about any other religion and the fucking SJW try to peck your eyes out with their expensive manicures, hippie clothing they got from the damn mall, and superior attitude.

Every organization has assholes. INCLUDING all MINORITIES! Only assholes single out one religion because it's happens to be the majority of what the people believe.

I think peoples' reaction differs based on the actual things that people are saying? And I think people have a lot more familiarity with the majority religion, and so they're usually making more cogent and specific criticisms that are a lot less likely to be based on xenophobia. That's how I feel about it.

I'm a queer woman living in America. Christianity is the religion that has the most direct impact on my life, so it's the one I complain about the most.

+1. I do not like Islam, nor do I dislike Islam, because I do not live in Saudi Arabia and I have not been forced to care about Islam. Conversely, I would not care about Christianity one way or another if I did not live in a country where politics is heavily influenced by Christianity. Your religion is your business until and unless you decide it should be everyone else’s business AND have the institutional ability to make it everyone else’s business.

+2 I have serious criticisms of virtually all religions. I'm not a fan of groups exploiting the poor and vulnerable members of any society, hurting minorities, spreading and perpetuating crazy bullshit, etc.

But Christians are the only religion in America large enough to cause problems for me, so its the one I'm gonna focus on the most.

Hello, Scott Morrison and every old white man in my country!

I'm not a fan of any religion, but I criticise Christianity the most because it has the most direct impact on my life.

I’m not really sure where you’re getting good Christian characters. Most of the religious characters I see in fiction believe in a generic nondenominational “God” that acts more like Santa Claus than YHVH.

(not OP) There a quite a few specifically Christian characters around - two of them in the OP's pic from "Daredevil" (plus several people including Luke in "Luke Cage"), plus most of the people in The Exorcist, Ella on "Lucifer" (in a show that generally uses Christian mythology as mythology) etc.

I get it, OP. It doesn't make me nope out of watching something but it does bother me. Especially if the character in question is a priest or something like that.

I feel you, OP. I went through my own atheist shitlord phase but even though I'm out of it now, I don't like the amount of good faith (so to speak) the good religious characters in media/fiction often get (as opposed to characters who are supposed to be extreme fundie bigots), or the fact that they seem to belong to cheerful rosy denominations that don't have struggles with how to update their faith or deal with bigots among their own.

I'm still close enough to Christianity in particular (since I grew up WASP in the US) that atheist shitlords genuinely rankle me, but also close enough to know that many of the devout still believe some backwards-ass stuff, as syrupy-sweet and nice as they are.

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