[ SECRET POST #4107 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4107 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I don't see how porn involving fictional children isn't pedophilic

I think that you mean that it's not sexual assault or molestation

[(Anonymous)]

Cause fictional children are nothing like real children. It's like saying that having the hots for Simba means you want to fuck animals in real life.

[(Anonymous)]

That does not seem like a very plausible argument

[(Anonymous)]

But that's it, exactly! Real pedophilia and fictional pedophilia are different from each other in just that same way.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

It also bears pointing out that many of the people who consume said fiction, or shota for example, project themselves onto the child. Accusing those people of being pedophilic or attracted to children is... not exactly accurate, I would say.

The argument about fic involving children is more complicated than actual child porn and a lot of it is directly related to the it-being-fictional part.

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, so you're telling me writing fic of the 12-14 year old kids in Stranger Things or IT having sex with each other at those ages is not pedophilia?

[(Anonymous)]

NA

...Yes, because writing fic about fictional characters fucking and being attracted to one another does not mean that you are attracted to or want to fuck actual real children. Really. The "character" that people are writing about is not the actor, they're a collection of tropes and character traits put into a hypothetical situation.

Do you also think that straight men who watch and get off to M/M/F threesome porn are actually bisexual because they can't be self-inserting as both men at once? Or that lesbians who write M/M fiction are really bisexual even though they're not attracted to actual real men?

To be a pedophile, one has to be attracted to actual. real. children. Someone who writes fic about fictional children, even ones who are played by real children, is not necessarily attracted to real children. Because it's possible to have a healthy understanding of the difference between fiction and reality. Because it's possible to play violent video games and not want to kill people in real life, or have a kink for enemas in fiction but not want to actually be involved with one in real life. Because it really, truly is possible to write and read fic about fictional children while still not being attracted to real children and in fact being disgusted by the thought of sexual activity with real children. Real children and fictional children are different.

[(Anonymous)]

You're protesting way too fucking much about this, to the point of it being questionable. How on earth is envisioning real life children fucking each other not constitute as pedophilia? It doesn't matter if it's the character you're attracted to, you're still attracted to a child character played by a real life child. You'd have some merit to your argument if you were talking about shota or cartoon shit, but these are actual children you're fantasizing about. Played by real life children. You're attracted to these kids and want to see them fuck each other. I'm not even talking about aging them up, my example was writing fic of them as they are in canon (11-14) having sex. It's absurd that you're trying to excuse this.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Actually, I'm mega squicked by underage, which is why I filter out any fic that involves it. But it's still not the same thing as actual pedophilia. Because "You're attracted to these kids and want to see them fuck each other." is not actually what motivates every fic writer! It really isn't! People write fic, sexually explicit fic even, involving characters they are not attracted to and do not want to fuck. There's more to it than that - it can be about dynamics between characters, it can be about characters people identify with and are picturing themselves as, it can be about remembering what it was like to be that age and have crushes and want to have sex, it can even be about actually being that age right now when writing/reading and wanting to see your own feelings reflected. There are so many reasons other than "I am attracted to this character" for writing that kind of thing.

Every straight person who's ever written het has written about characters fucking who they are not attracted to. Not everyone who wants to read about dragons fucking cars wants to fuck dragons or cars themselves.

I've never said that some people writing underage fic aren't pedophiles, although the proportion is probably minuscule. For one thing, actual pedophiles are not going to be satisfied by fic when there is real child porn available. Most people writing and reading underage fic do not seek out real child porn because they are not actually attracted to children. That's the difference. If someone wants to write fic about two characters fucking, but is not attracted to real children and is disgusted by the concept of themselves having sex with real children or of real children in sexual situations, they are not a pedophile. Really.

I'll be bluntly honest. When you pretend that writing fic about fictional children is the same thing as being actually attracted to real children, you are equating two things that are on very different levels in a way that minimises what pedophilia and in particular child molestation (which are two different things as well) actually are.

If someone is not attracted to real life children then they are not a pedophile. There are reasons other than attraction for writing sexually explicit fic. This is very simple.

[(Anonymous)]

Actually, I'm mega squicked by underage

Sure, that's why you're writing paragraphs upon paragraphs defending it and insisting the people who write this trash aren't creepy as shit. You're not fooling anyone.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I'm squicked by underage. That doesn't mean I think it should be scourged from the earth, or that literally everyone writing underage is a pedophile.

But I don't actually need to convince you I don't like underage. That doesn't particularly matter to me. The bigger issue here is that you apparently can't conceive of people writing or reading things they don't want to do in real life, which is fucking wild to me. Like, you seriously can't think of any motivation behind writing something that isn't "Oh, I would like this in real life." That's buck wild.

[(Anonymous)]

It doesn't particularly matter to you because you gotta devote hours of your life rallying to defend people who write explicit sexual material about/jerking it to real children. I mean, there's playing devil's advocate and then there's this. The fact that you feel the need to defend this so ardently is fucking weird and if you were to attempt this in real life discussion with a group of people, said people would probably want you nowhere near children again. I had no idea there were this many degenerate perverts on F!S, but this is really eye opening. Even /tv/ would be raising a brow at you, anon.

[otakugal15]

Hi troll.

[(Anonymous)]

Characters interpreted by actors =/= real children.

Please, please, learn to distinguish reality from fiction (and maybe turn your indignation to actual paedophiles instead of, you know, people writing fiction who aren't harming real children).

[(Anonymous)]

They're played by real children, you freak.

[(Anonymous)]

In the show. In the fics there's no one playing anyone ffs.

[(Anonymous)]

DA children who are old enough to drive, but that's neither here nor there.

[(Anonymous)]

The example from the secret itself, Edward Elric, is played by an adult. So no.

da

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a straight woman who writes some f/f because I like the character dynamics and because I enjoy writing about women being happy. Believe it or not, it's entirely possible to write sex without personal attraction being involved.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, anon, your anecdotal evidence totally proves people who write fic of child characters played by child actors without even having the decency to age them up are totally not perverts!

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

DA

So it's okay if they're aged up?

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

So your argument is that people who write sex are inherently attracted to one or both of the characters involved. By your logic, I must be a lesbian in denial for writing explicit f/f sex despite the fact that I have zero sexual interest in vaginas other than my own.

[(Anonymous)]

This is a really strange argument with 'It' as canonically the kids are 11-12 and have sex in the book. Are you arguing that King is a pedophile?

[(Anonymous)]

Stephen King is...creepy, to say the least. And that scene is an abomination, to the point where most who've read the book judge him for it immensely. Do you not find his fiction of writing 11 year olds having an orgy creepy, anon?

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, the man threw in a completely unnecessary scene where 11 year old boys run a train on an 11 year old girl that goes into detail about how each pre-pubescent penis feels inside her. However you slice it, it certainly seems pedophilic and it significantly lowers my opinion of him. Which seems like pretty reasonable rationale to me? I definitely smh that in recent days, rather than be contrite about that scene, he still defends its existence. Not even in a "I chose to include this because I thought this would be the best way to convey their first step into adulthood and their closeness" way, but in a weak, defensive, missing the mark as to why people are uncomfortable with this scene in the first place, "oh, so it's okay to write about kids getting slaughtered, but not okay to write about them having an orgy? Pssshhh, these silly double standards man" kind of way.

It's kind of like how GRRM writes porn of 13 year olds having sex and then goes on to say in interviews that he finds 13 year old book Denaerys "hot" and his ideal woman. Stuff like this makes me question these authors. They're not diddling real kids and I don't suspect they are, but still, ew. But I think anons ITT need to stop making out like pedophilia and child molestation are interchangeable. That seems to be where a lot of the "it's fiction, it's harmless" side is confused.