[ SECRET POST #4131 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4131 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Cardcaptor Sakura, Pokémon Black/White, Sonic the Hedgehog, Lord of the Rings]



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["Babushka Lady", JFK assassination]


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05.
[Jessica Jones season 2]


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[Ready Player One]


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08.
[The Great British Bake Off]








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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe it is a cliche because it is something that acutally happens.

[(Anonymous)]

Doesn't make it interesting, though. I agree with OP.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

What kind of reaction would be more interesting to you?

[(Anonymous)]

Non self destructive ways of dealing with it?

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT but at that point, aren't you just asking for Jessica Jones to be a completely different show and genre?

[(Anonymous)]

Not necessarily. You can have a character doing unusual and unexpected things, so long as you write it well. Jessica saying "I love you" to Trish, in public, in front of dozens of people would've been out of character if the show hadn't set it up not to be.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not saying that it would be impossible. It'd just be a fundamentally different show, about fundamentally different things.

Like, it's not that you're wrong, it's just that the show isn't for you.

[(Anonymous)]

I disagree. According to your logic, characters would never be able to deviate from how they initially appear. There'd be no possibility of growth or change, and no possibility of character development. Not only does that sound pretty boring, it's also not how GOOD character development works in any form of media.

I'm not saying Jessica should be a New Age meditation expert and reiki practitioner. I'm saying that there's room for Jessica to do things that fall outside of the stereotype of the hard drinking, self-destructive PI with powers. She's already done it in the context of the show. It works because it's written into the structure of the show in a believable way. It hasn't changed the fundamental nature or genre of the show, it feels right because it's well written.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah cause Jessica is all about non-self-destructive ways of dealing. Would you like her to get therapy and weave flower crowns and sing kumbaya?

[(Anonymous)]

Don't be silly. Also, try using your imagination. Imagine someone (maybe Malcolm, maybe Trish?) trying to introduce Jessica to non self-destructive ways of dealing. The therapy fails. The yoga fails. Running fails. Then one day a friend of Malcolm's gives him a gag gift - a massive 2000 piece puzzle that forms a picture of several hundred dildos in a pile.

Jessica mocks the idea at first. Puzzles are laaaaaame. But she's sitting at home, drinking and she spots a piece that fits. She puts it in, then walks away to do some other shit. A day or two later, she sees another one, sticks it in. Before you know it, she's doing puzzles Jessica Jones style, drinking, swearing and occasionally using the bottom of her whiskey bottle to pound in a piece that definitely does NOT fit (Malcolm will tell her later) but what the hell, this stupid dildo puzzle is the enemy now and it's going DOWN, motherfucker! It's still stupid, it's still lame... but it beats fucking dumbass dudebros in a bathroom.

It's fiction. You can do anything you want, so long as you make the writing work.

[tabaqui]

Man ALL OF THIS.
So tired of cliches and tropes that are just used ad nauseum. It's lazy fucking writing and I pretty much hate it.

[(Anonymous)]

Right? I'm not even hating on cliches, there are many commonly used cliches and tropes that I like. But I'm puzzled at the attitude of "Oh nooooo you can't deviate from the cliche or it'll be a whole different show!!!"

Like... no? Weird, crazy shit happens in TV shows all the time, and if the writing supports it, it works. You can subvert cliches, play with them, defy expectations. You're not locked into one limited viewpoint of a character that has to go unchanged, forever.

[(Anonymous)]

Like... I guess to me, there's a difference between a cliche, and a foundational component of a genre. And I think "locked into self-destructive patterns" is a major component of the genre that Jessica Jones is in.

Now, that definitely doesn't mean that she can't change as a character. Obviously. But engaging in those patterns is a central, fundamental aspect of her character, and starting to grow out of them is a major goal for her character and the show as a whole. That's the fundamental drama of that type of character in that type of show - can the character stop doing self-destructive shit and mature, or is the character doomed to repeat their self-destructive patterns?

It's not that it can't change. It's just that it can't change, like, accidentally. If it's going to change, it's going to be the result of a major event happening for the character and a resolution of a major plot point. To have Jessica Jones just not be self-destructive any more would be an unsatisfying resolution of the core conceit of the show.

[tabaqui]

Yup, totally with you.

[rivulet027]

That would've been great!

[(Anonymous)]

That would make a cute fic.

Not such a good episode of JJ, though.

[thewakokid]

You want the defective detective trope to be the healthy and functional detective? Why? What about Jessica Jones means she gets avoid the pitfalls, when House, Holmes, Harry Dresden, Philip Marlow, Dexter Morgan, Will Graham and pretty much every defective detective?

[(Anonymous)]

Not necessarily. I don't think Jessica works as a 100% healthy and functional character, but that doesn't mean she's locked into an unstoppable cycle of self-destruction as her only means of coping. It also doesn't mean she has to go full Mr. Rogers. With every defective detective trope, it's the struggle that makes it interesting. It means that people might not be succeeding at being functional people but it doesn't mean they're not trying... otherwise there's no conflict, no development or growth.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I like that bit of realism so I disagree with OP.