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[ SECRET POST #4143 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4143 ⌋

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[Hank Azaria, The Simpsons]

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[Paul Hollywood, Great British Bake Off]

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[All for One]

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[Plato, philosophy(slash?)]

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[Fear the Walking Dead]

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[The Nanny]

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I still don't get how Apu is "racist". In the old days he was sort of an Indian stereotype but now he's far more a "put-upon working man" stereotype and their go-to when they want to have their "everyman" do things that Homer wouldn't do.

He's always been one of the smarter characters and fits with the cast being stock. There's nothing offensive about him.

Don't you know if you can't find offense at something you need to make something up? In the beginning he was a huge stereotype but now the character has developed into a regular 2D person. But that isn't good enough for the Social Justice Police. They watched one episode from back in 1993 and are TRIGGERED!!1!1!?1!1!

Now you try to bring up the problems with how women and girls are drawn like sexualized children in lots of mainstream Japanese anime they will whip their heads around like Linda Blair from the "Exorcist" and HDU criticize another culture you aren't a part of...blah...blah...blah...blah...

(My attempt at a conversation about over sexualization of women and child in anime did happen and is not an exaggeration. They scared me with how quick they were to justify it.)

WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE FICTIONAL CHILDREN?!

All my fandoms are anime and I've never in all my years seen a ~sjw~ defend sexualization of girls in anime. The people you'd call sjw's are always the first people to make those critiques in the first place. The "concern" about different cultures!!!!!1111111!!!! comes completely from fanboys (sometimes fangirls too) who are butthurt that someone has a problem with their waifus.

Then again, I also question the motives of the "sjw's" who criticize anime while ignoring when the same problems happen in media from their home countries.....

the entirety of this comment is so intensely cringe I wonder if you've ever talked to another human being in your life

Found the weeboo.

I'm not sure people are objecting to the character's job or role in the show, per se, but rather the accent itself. I mean. Would you go up to a person of Indian or Pakistani descent and start talking like that? I sure as hell wouldn't.

So people are upset that an Indian character has an Indian accent?

He has a stereotypical comedic Indian accent

not an Indian accent

What's the difference?

This. This is what a lot of people aren't getting.

The show exaggerates exaggeration for comic effect. That's its thing.

Sure, absolutely. And sometimes, when you do that with perceived racial characteristics, you end up with offensive stereotypes. Like in this instance.

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Apu actually sounds a lot better. I've worked with a ton of Indian devs before and the ones who've only been here for a year or two are almost incomprehensible.

A lot of the problem is they stress different syllables in words. Another problem is that half of them are speaking British English rather than American English.

Meanwhile, the two Tier 3 ops guys who'd been in the US for a decade sounded like Apu and like an angry police chief with a slight accent respectively.

Are Americans incapable of understanding British English now?!

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There's really not that much difference.

I grew up with a lot of Indian friends and while they didn't sound like that their parents or grandparents sure did.

They even called an immigrant kid "Freshie Apu" for sounding like that.

But Apu’s a highly respected and realistic portrayal of an Indian American businessman. How could he possibly be used to make fun of an immigrant kid?

They even called an immigrant kid "Freshie Apu" for sounding like that.

Yes, good job proving that Apu isn't racist

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I wouldn't go up to anybody and start doing any accent unless I was already doing a bit (like if I was in cosplay or something) and then I'd do it to anyone.

But let's go with this. Would you go up to a Texan and start talking like the Rich Texan? Would you go up to a Brit and start talking like literally any British character on the show? Or would you go up to someone and start doing their accent regardless of seeing it on a show or not?

Watched the Azaria interview on youtube a while back. He said that he felt bad for all the people who have been treated like racist stock characters and who have been harmed because of people getting the bright idea to start making fun of IRL people because of Apu's schtick being mainstream.

I'm not South Asian or Indian, but I can get that a character who's major humor contribution is essentially "lol Indian people breed too much and are backwards" isn't that great.

They had eight kids because everyone had been giving Manjula fertility drugs, not because they're Indian. That was very firmly established from the beginning. And they've never been presented as "backwards", either as people or culturally. I mean heck, he feared an arranged marriage but fell in love at first sight.

Nayrt

This is complicated, and I'm not necessarily going to argue that Manjula having 8 kids actually is racist, because it's complicated and I would have to go back and rewatch the episode to make an actual argument and I don't want to.

But, just in general, I don't think that the existence of a textual explanation precludes something from being racist

It absolutely should. Context and intent are THE determining factors in what is xenophobically hateful versus what is just harmlessly ignorant.

I agree that those things matter. I'm not saying that textual explanations aren't relevant - I'm just saying that they're not dispositive.

i mean it's kind of that argument why female characters in underwear and fishnets are okay because in-universe they breathe through their skin so in that context it's totally not sexist design

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