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⌈ Secret Post #4176 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Pirating is objectively wrong, but pirating self published or indie stuff is a truly shitty thing to do.

[(Anonymous)]

Pirating is not "objectively wrong" but I definitely agree that pirating self-published or indie stuff is wrong

Support creators

[(Anonymous)]

It is stealing, so yes it is wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

What do you mean when you say that stealing is wrong?

[(Anonymous)]

No. For something to be steeling someone must lose the possibility of use their property in any way.

If you want to complain about it been wrong, you can argue it deprives the owners of earnings and that no one is entitled of free media, but still, nothing is being stolen.

[(Anonymous)]

How does "deprive of earnings" not equal "theft"?

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I would hope I'm not stealing from the bakery every time I decline to buy a cookie.

[(Anonymous)]

Theft involves wrongful taking and carrying away personal goods or property. If you break in and take their earnings or the goods they're selling, then you're stealing.

Sneaking in to watching a movie without paying or downloading a movie isn't stealing. The first is unauthorized access, the second the creation of an unauthorized copy. Neither involves taking goods or property away.

Both can cause deprivation of earnings, but that may not be the case at all depending on the circumstances.

[(Anonymous)]

This argument has never made much sense to me because in most cases, the person pirating never intended to buy the product in the first place. It's either pirate it, or (if that's somehow not an option) move on and pirate something else instead. They wouldn't have bought it either way, so saying the creators lost any profits at all isn't actually true.

[(Anonymous)]

Time to share the video again!

https://youtu.be/IeTybKL1pM4

[(Anonymous)]

Why make an actual argument when you can just link to a cheesy vid?

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Creators deserve to be supported, specially if they work on their on.

But stuff owned by big companies?
As long as big companies cheat their customers constantly in many ways (e.g. channels that remover subtitles, so people with hearing issues already paying for the service can't watch it anymore and have to keep paying for it due to permanence clause; services that promise certain content, but then you need to pay an extra service, and then you discover said content isn't available in your region even though their representatives said otherwise [Hi, Amazon Prime!], etc.) I refuse to feel bad about it.

[(Anonymous)]

So, how about us who work for big companies? Don't we deserve to get paid?

[(Anonymous)]

If your work involves actively lying to customers to make them pay for something they won't be able to consume, no. Such jobs shouldn't even exist in the first place.

Otherwise, yes, people deserve to be paid for their work.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you get a share in extra profit generated by your company?

OP

[(Anonymous)]

JESUS you people are jumping through a ton of hoops to make yourselves feel better. Trust me when I say you'd feel a lot better if you just admit to yourself that you do a bad thing. The thing is bad, and you do it. Live with the truth.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

New anon here. How would it ever make sense that someone would feel better to "admit" something is bad if they genuinely don't believe that it's bad in the first place? Pretending I don't feel that way would involve a lot of lying & self-deception, which would only make me feel worse, tbh.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Sometimes it's bad, and sometimes it's not. It depends on the circumstances.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

+1
Sometimes companies don't want money from the "wrong" people so they ensure we can't buy from them, other companies don't give a damn about accessibility so they exclude more people, sometimes people just want a more convenient copy of something they already own, etc.

Generalizing it as "bad" makes no sense, because it depends.

[(Anonymous)]

It is objectively wrong to take stuff you're not entitled to without supporting the creators - or in the case of "big company" media, the hundreds and even thousands of people who put work into it.

It's crazy how much people will twist a very obvious issue to justify the fact that they steal from creators.

[(Anonymous)]

This. It's one thing if there's no way for you to legally obtain the media (hello region-locked DVDs back before multi-region/regionless DVD players were a thing) or the media is no longer available in print and can only be bought secondhand (so even if you did buy it, the creator wouldn't be seeing any of the money), but if you're able to buy it legally but choose to pirate it instead, yeah, you're a jerk and a thief.

[(Anonymous)]

What is the proportion between the money that you give for something created by big media, and the percentage of that money that goes to the creators and people who've worked on it, and the percentage of that money that goes to vulture capitalists and lawyers and managers and waste?

That's not to say that you shouldn't support stuff where you can. But to say that it's black-and-white, objectively wrong, that it's "taking stuff" - I don't accept that characterization.

[(Anonymous)]

It is literally "taking stuff." The fact that you don't accept reality doesn't make it not real.

[(Anonymous)]

Usually 0%.

Royalties aren't offered to most people in the production chain, but when royalties are offered (usually to the creator, sometimes to the big "names," though they're most likely to have they manager negotiate one big main payment instead of focusing on royalties) is usually a very low amount for the sales during an specified time period, and the company keeps all the rights for future distribution.

[(Anonymous)]

On one hand, I don't think piracy is objectively right or wrong. It can be wrong if you pirate everything you own and do nothing to support the creators. It can be totally okay if you pirate to play something to see if you like it, then go back and pay for a copy later, to support the creator somehow. I do the second one a lot. Sometimes I like the games after trying them so much I buy extra copies for friends. But, I would never have bought that game that had no demo for the sticker price, without having tried it first. Or, if someone is pirating something that isn't available in their region, they're not harming anyone.

On the other hand, actions have consequences. I don't have any sympathy for people who pirate and don't support the creators, then turn around and complain that, for example, the gaming industry is going fully toward "live services" and microtransactions instead of the old standard of paid and DRM-free. If you're going to pirate, then you're going to have to deal with the industry-wide backlash toward your behavior. Suck it up, this is what happens. I have no tears for them.