[ SECRET POST #4294 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4294 ⌋

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Sorry, thought I posted this already!

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

If only we were nicer to people, they wouldn't choose to support tax-cheating, sexual-assaulting, incompetent disaster of a president and his demonstrably racist and classist policies?

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, being nicer clearly wouldn't help at all. Carry on.

[(Anonymous)]

What kind of garbage is this? The GOP spends 8 years veering as far as it can go in the direction of sheer lunacy, in support of Birthers and Sandy Hook truthers and Pizzagaters and people who think that George Soros funds all of their political opponents, and people who are white nationalists in all but name (and sometimes in name as well), and controls all three branches of government. And the strategy that Democrats must follow is "be nicer"? These people look at Donald Trump and vote for him, and it's the Democrats' fault that they chose to do so because they weren't nicer? Get outta here with that bullshit. They're adults, they're citizens, they chose to do what they did.

[(Anonymous)]

More like Democrats shouldn't have ran a presidential candidate with one of the poorest likeabilities in ages, actively alienate the working class, and actually vote. It's like you guys want to blame everyone but yourself.

[philstar22]

That's crap. She was clearly a thousand times better than Trump, and anyone who thought they were even comparable was either stupid or willfully ignorant.

[(Anonymous)]

That's an awful lot of assumptions about 62,979,636 people

[(Anonymous)]

anyone who thought they were even comparable was either stupid or willfully ignorant.

Very true. She's a damned warhawk and started more wars. Anyone who loves war like her is the very worst. Nothing comparable to Trump.

[(Anonymous)]

Didn't vote Trump, but no way in hell would I have ever voted for Hillary. Third party, only option left. Way left.

[(Anonymous)]

inb4 "it's the upper middle class who voted him in!"

[(Anonymous)]

She was a shit candidate, and I do think that "nominate better candidates" is a much better strategy than "be nicer".

But people still made a choice to vote for Donald Trump, they made that decision, and that's still their responsibility. And what this "alienate the working class" nonsense is, I sure don't know.

[(Anonymous)]

You mean like candidates who don't call people deplorables?

[(Anonymous)]

NART but I’m working class and I had working class parents and grandparents and like fuck would I ever have voted for Resident Chump, a man who was born with a fucking silver spoon in his mouth and probably a goddamn platinum buttplug up his ass that only got pulled out when it was replaced by Vladimir Putin’s hand like the world’s most disgusting puppet.

He’s Romney all over again but with zero business acumen aside from fucking over his contractors and employees, he’s doing his damndest to run the county like a mafia don and into the ground. He’s raised taxes (oh wait they’re called tariffs same fucking thing) to the equivalent of his tax cut that btw expires in 2027 for people who aren’t corporations or able to go diving in a money vault like Scrooge McDuck while trying to cut Medicaid, Medicare, SNAP, and Social Security.

Lots of the working class and working poor aren’t white and/or are single moms or disabled and he’s got zero empathy for any of that. The only thing he’s ever worked at in his life is stealing from people and the government to enrich himself. I’ve missed one midterm primary election in the 17 years I’ve been able to vote. FUCK YOU for assuming the working class fell for his bullshit in lockstep, or that all the working poor think like you.

[(Anonymous)]

From a fellow working-class person who didn't vote for Trump with a working-class family who also didn't vote for him, THIS. Thank you. Some of us saw through him right from the get-go. Hell, I didn't like the guy well before he ever considered running from president, just 'cause he always came off like a pompous ass whenever he popped up in the news or on TV for something or other.

Besides that, hasn't the whole "working class people voted for Trump" thing kinda been disproven?

[unspeakablyevil]

Amen. My working class family and I voted against his sorry ass and we're voting against him/his party/his agenda every opportunity that we get.

[(Anonymous)]

Clearly "fuck you" is the proper strategy.

[(Anonymous)]

That's certainly what the empirical evidence would seem to suggest.

[(Anonymous)]

Cool, keep it up!

[(Anonymous)]

This. I do not get the, "I'm tired of you insulting me for supporting Trump. I'll show you! I'll go vote for him!" attitude. What the hell is that supposed to prove? All that tells me is that the person voting for Trump is doing so for the most immature of reasons. If people don't want to be accused of being racist/sexist/xenophobic/etc., or at least supporting it, then maybe they shouldn't be supporting candidates that push such ideas and beliefs.

Also, some people have tried to "be nicer" and have civil conversations with Trump supporters. I've yet to see it change anything. All that winds up happening is that the Trump supporters continue to dig in their heels and further buy into his lies and bullshit, and the people who tried to be nice feel like they've been talking to a brick wall.

[(Anonymous)]

Trump supporters would literally rather believe that he is leading a secret investigation into a worldwide conspiracy of satanist globalist pedophiles than accept that he is a shitty president.

[(Anonymous)]

It proves nothing, and isn't really a mystery. It's just human nature. By insulting someone for voting for a shit candidate, you are telling them they are stupid and wrong.

Nobody wants to be told they're stupid and wrong, even when they're being stupid and wrong. Especially when they're being stupid and wrong.

I'm not saying there's an easy solution to this. A lot of patience, compassion, understanding and respect are needed, and right now, these are in short supply. And even if we can have a civil debate, not everyone is going to change their minds.

[(Anonymous)]

And the other thing that's tricky is that, of course, people who hate Trump can still also have massive, extremely consequential political disagreements with each other. Just coming around on Trump being bad doesn't change that.

[(Anonymous)]

You know what happens when Democrats aren't nice?

"OMG HDU U MONSTERS UR SO MEEN"

There's just no winning with anyone.

[(Anonymous)]

Except winning elections.

[tabaqui]

THIS THIS THIS.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT—I really don’t get people like AYRT—spite has occasionally been what keeps me clinging to life and (arguable) sanity by my fingernails, but there are some positions I wouldn’t support or vote for no matter how steeped in black bile I got.

What positive changes would/has 45 brought about for his supporters that don’t boil down to “owning the libs,” pandering to white supremacists, taking money from the poor to give to the rich, and treating PoC, women, the disabled, immigrants, LGBT+ people, non-Christians (and some kinds of Christian, even!) and the poor like dirt to be mocked, used, abused, and killed at the whim of rich white straight Christian men?

Basically it seems like AYRT just wants to hurt people because some people who didn’t vote for 45 mock 45 and his supporters. I guess when you’re rich, white, straight, and Christian, mockery must be punished by voting for venal, empathy-deficient ignoramouses like 45.