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[ SECRET POST #4308 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4308 ⌋

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[Ian and Mickey from Shameless (US)]

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[Fandom Secrets]

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[severus snape x ron weasley]

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[Keira Knightley]

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[Return of the Obra Dinn]

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[Neil Gaiman, Good Omens]

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Eh, Cinderella wasn't even her waiting on the prince. She legit just wanted to go to the ball for a night out and a night off! The prince thing just happened.

Good point. "Waiting for a rich guy to rescue her" is also a really weird, victim-blamey thing to say about someone who's being abused/neglected by their family.

It really is, an as someone who only escaped an abusive household this year, it really drives me up the wall. So I stan Cinderella really hard from this bullshit.

Okay, but she was just waiting. She was never proactive. Everything, both bad and good, just happened to her.

To be fair, how proactive do you think you'd be if your parents kept you in rags, scrubbing floors on your hands and knees all day, and had the power to lock you away as a punishment without any sort of repercussions?

Yes, it is realistic. But she isn't exactly a heroine? I guess I just wouldn't show the movie to a kid without a discussion. Because the whole message of the movie is "you just need to dream and good things will happen," And I don't think that's a good message to just give kids without talking about it.

It's actually more like "be kind and good things can happen to you" and while not without fault, it's not the worst thing to tell kids.

I thought the message was "be pretty and have little feet and your problems will be solved by a supernatural being", which isn't really very good advice.

Yeah, maybe. I honestly think that especially at a young age, parents really overthink these things and it also depends on the kid. I never read fairy tales as a child with the idea that oh look, role models! I should totally do what that person in the fairy tale is doing! Because well... they were fictional. It's too simplistic to act like even young children soak up messages from the media indiscriminately. By all means, the discussion couldn't hurt! But we probably over analyze this stuff more than they do.

Another point that occurred to me - is it bad for young girls to know that you not being able to physically stand up for yourself, kick ass and take names makes you worthless? Do we have room to tell stories about women who aren't always in a place to take control of their own lives? Is it a bad thing when young women who cannot help themselves receive help from others?

There's room for all kinds of stories. But no one is actually disagreeing, and it's reasonable to select what kind of messages you specifically choose to put in front of your small child.

Jeez.

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And she was a young woman in medieval France where a young woman couldn't just leave without being married unless she wanted to be a whore. I know you're an abuse victim, just like me, so honestly I thought you'd know better than the whole, "Well, she should have just LEFT." And go fucking where?

I didn't realize that being a sex worker was an option for a character in a G-rated Disney.

No, but if Philstar is going to try to make this point, I'm going to go along with it when it's patently ridiculous and I really don't like doing the, "Okay, so why haven't you left YOUR abusive home?" game because I've been on the receiving end of it.

"This character was portrayed as a passive object and the movie sends a bad message about how to follow your dreams" is not the same as "ughhhhh why didn't this character just leave their abusive home!?!?" and it's manipulative nonsense to assert that it is.

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She also has a crappy homelife and crappy parents, so... irony. And maybe a degree of self loathing and self blame that's coloring her viewpoint here.

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Not saying she should have, realistically. I just think Cinderella isn't a movie I would show to kids without a discussion because the message seems to me to be just dream and wait and good things will happen. And I personally think that's not a message I'd just give to kids without talking about it.

Haha, that, too. Like... run away to explore the rich options a young woman with no money or protection from her family has? That's not a tempting prospect NOW, when we have social welfare programs and crap.

Fairy tales ain't historically realistic and are more about contemporary issues and concerns than the morality of medieval France

Come the fuck on

Sort of. Disney movies of that era aren't as heavy on social messages, though. They were closer to being a slightly sanitized retelling of a fairy tale, and the sanitization process tended to downplay the heavier handed moral messages.

But that's still a reflection of the desires and mores of society as they were at that time. What "sanitizing" means, what a proper fairy tale should look like and what themes it should emphasize - that's the product of a contemporary moral judgment. It's not a concern with realism or accuracy or anything of that sort.

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CINDERELLA ISN'T MEDIEVAL YOU IGNORANT PILL BOTTLE, THOSE BUSTLE DRESSES ARE OBVIOUSLY EARLY 19th CENTURY AT THE MOST

ok carry on

da

The original story is from the early 17th century.

that's ALSO not medieval, it's early modern/high renaissance

and the discussion is specifically about the movie, so I stand by my fashion based objection

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NAYRT

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Um, false.

She made her own dress in order to attend the ball. She worked hard on it. It was torn to shreds by her jealous stepsisters, but she was proactive in trying to make her dreams come true. It's because she put in the work and the effort and was STILL abused that she received help from the fairy godmother in order to achieve her dream.

I'd hardly call that "just waiting."

There's nothing wrong with the message that you can't do everything all on your own without help from friends or benefactors, especially in situations where nefarious people or forces are actively preventing you from reaching your goal alone.

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